ESPN: Clemson a playoff contender, FSU a clear repeat favorite

Clemson's Dabo Swinney and Brent Venables during the fourth quarter of the Florida State game at Memorial Stadium in Clemson, S.C.

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Clemson's Dabo Swinney and Brent Venables during the fourth quarter of the Florida State game at Memorial Stadium in Clemson, S.C.

Rebuild? Nope – reload – is the motto for Clemson football this season even after losing offensive stars Tajh Boyd, Sammy Watkins, Martavis Bryant and Brandon Thomas to the NFL.

Add in a 1,000-yard rusher gone in Rod McDowell and it’s easy to expect a dropoff – CBSSports.com's Dennis Dodd does, not listing the Tigers in the top-39 - but Dabo Swinney and co. certainly have other ideas.

In a ESPN piece naming Clemson one of 16 playoff contenders, Swinney points to the veteran-laden defense.

"Nobody knew Vic Beasley (last season)," Swinney said. "Nobody knew Grady Jarrett, and nobody knew Corey Crawford. Nobody even knew their names. I had somebody come in here and do a radio show and asked him if he could give me one name of our defensive linemen. He couldn't name one name, not one of them, and, boy, I used that with those guys. Now, everybody knows those guys."

The road to the college football final four will run through Tallahassee and the defending champs, Florida State, however.

ESPN stats and info’s Football Power Index (FPI) has the Seminoles as the preseason favorite and a near-five-touchdown favorite against the average FBS team (32.2 points). Last season, they paced the nation with a 34.6 FPI ahead of Oregon (28.5), Alabama (25.4), Baylor (24.4) and Stanford (24.4) in the top-five. Clemson finished 14th (17.2).

In the preseason ranking, FSU has the No. 2 offense (16.9), No. 1 defense (13.6) and No. 1 special teams unit (1.7) nationally. Oregon is next-best (28.5), followed by Auburn (24.3), Alabama (24.1) and UCLA (22.6).

South Carolina comes in at No. 9 (19.8), Georgia No. 12 (19.5) and Clemson No. 15 (17.6).

The Tigers are listed with the No. 25 offense (6.6), No. 6 defense (10.4) and No. 40 special teams unit (0.6).

Last season, Clemson had the No. 16 offensive (14.5) and defensive (8.78) FPI and the No. 88 special teams unit (-.75).

For comparison, Football Outsiders’ FEI ranking had the Tigers with the No. 26 offense, No. 17 defense and No. 78 special teams unit in college football last season.

Other college football analytics aren't quite as sure Clemson is in the national title echelon this season.

Focused on recruiting, SB Nation identified 11 contender teams by a "blue-chip ratio," where Florida State (56 percent) and Georgia (51 percent) made the list, but Clemson (42), Oregon (42), UCLA (42) and Stanford (39) are on the outside looking in.

CFB Matrix's top-10 playoff-ready teams was headlined by the usual suspects, but also had Oklahoma, Notre Dame and Oregon.

"They get make a vast majority of their team and their schedule is miles better than 2013," CFB Matrix's Dave Bartoo wrote analyzing Florida State's chances. "Their 3 toughest games are all at home. Pretty easy to pencil them into an ACC title and the playoffs again. Repeating however? Tough call."

"The only top 8 recruiter of this century to not make a title game? Yup. UGA. But they lose a forever cornerstone in Murray...and they get back 90% of key defensive production. They also have one tough roadie at the Gamecocks with Auburn, the Vols and Clemson at home with no trap games on the horizon. Expect playoff berth."

2014 ACC Preseason FPI

Atlantic

1) Florida State (32.2)

2) Clemson (17.6)

3) Louisville (6.5)

4) Syracuse (5)

5) N.C. State (0.4)

6) Boston College (-3.4)

7) Wake Forest (-8.5)

Coastal

1) North Carolina (15.6)

2) Miami (12.1)

3) Virginia Tech (9.8)

4) Pittsburgh (8.5)

5) Duke (8.1)

6) Georgia Tech (7.2)

7) Virginia (2.5)

ACC Partner

Notre Dame (11.4)

ESPN’s FPI formula explanation

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33dtb writes:

Statistics are for losers................let's beat Carolina !!!!!!!!!!!!

TigerFan95 writes:

Although I try to be an optimistic tiger fan, I just don’t see us as a legit playoff contender this year. UGA & FSU early in the season and on the road are likely losses. UNC & SC at home are toss-ups. Louisville, NC ST, GT, BC & Syracuse are likely wins if we bring our A-game. Wake, Ga St & SC St are sure bets. Barring key injuries I see us most likely going 9-3, perhaps 10-2 at best. Neither would put us in the playoff, but would be a heck of a lot better than what Dennis Dodd predicts. I love so called “experts” like him doubting us though. That’s usually when we do our best.

clemvol writes:

in response to 33dtb:

Statistics are for losers................let's beat Carolina !!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, beat south carolina. Already heard championship talk last year. Talk is cheap.

TigerNE writes:

The first game is quite winnable especially if we watch key games from last year where Gurshall and especially Gurley himself were more or less contained. Nebraska was able to do it.

The most optimistic I can be is to lose only to FSU. And if that happens, it's entirely possible FSU is at the top of the playoff ratings and our only loss will be to the top. In this most optimistic scenario, the PAC12 may not produce a zero or one loss team, and may not put a team in the playoffs. We could sneak in to the rotation.

Otherwise, a top level bowl, say either Orange or Gator, will be a great concession given the reloading on offense.

YabbaDaboDooDoo writes:

in response to TigerNE:

The first game is quite winnable especially if we watch key games from last year where Gurshall and especially Gurley himself were more or less contained. Nebraska was able to do it.

The most optimistic I can be is to lose only to FSU. And if that happens, it's entirely possible FSU is at the top of the playoff ratings and our only loss will be to the top. In this most optimistic scenario, the PAC12 may not produce a zero or one loss team, and may not put a team in the playoffs. We could sneak in to the rotation.

Otherwise, a top level bowl, say either Orange or Gator, will be a great concession given the reloading on offense.

The ACC is not putting 2 teams in a playoff. Period. The SEC and PAC12 have a better shot to do it than the ACC.

TigerFan95 writes:

in response to YabbaDaboDooDoo:

The ACC is not putting 2 teams in a playoff. Period. The SEC and PAC12 have a better shot to do it than the ACC.

You're right, the SEC does have a better chance of putting two teams in the playoff with perennial title contenders like Bama, LSU, Auburn & UF , but doing so will be a rare occurence for any conference. The ACC has just as good of a chance of doing it as any other conference outside the SEC and a one loss CU, Miami, VT or Louisville would be given just as much consideration for that 3rd or 4th spot as any two loss SEC team.

TheTruth46 writes:

in response to clemvol:

Yes, beat south carolina. Already heard championship talk last year. Talk is cheap.

Good luck with that gents. Six is indeed a magical number. Nothing like a nice stroll in the valley in late November.

YabbaDaboDooDoo writes:

in response to TigerFan95:

You're right, the SEC does have a better chance of putting two teams in the playoff with perennial title contenders like Bama, LSU, Auburn & UF , but doing so will be a rare occurence for any conference. The ACC has just as good of a chance of doing it as any other conference outside the SEC and a one loss CU, Miami, VT or Louisville would be given just as much consideration for that 3rd or 4th spot as any two loss SEC team.

2 SEC teams have finished in the top 4 of the final BCS standings for the past 3 seasons. So it stands to reason that a playoff would've most likely included 2 SEC teams had a playoff been in place. Do you know how many times an ACC school has even finished in the top 4 of the BCS standings? FIVE! FSU 1998, FSU 1999, FSU 2000, VT 2007, FSU 2013. The ACC has a hard enough time finding 1 team in a position to compete for a national championship, much less 2.

The conference you play in and the quality of your schedule matters. Michigan State lost 1 game on the road by 4 points @ND. They won every other game on their schedule by double digits. Auburn was losing to Mississippi State for nearly the entire 2nd half AT HOME until the final 10 seconds. Auburn was losing at TX A&M late in the 4th quarter until a TD with 1:19 left. And then Auburn still needed 2 miracles/gifts against UGA and Alabama to even get to the SEC championship game. The difference b/t Auburn being 9-4 and 12-1 was razor thin and yet no one even blinked when deciding b/t an Auburn team with a ton of luck on their side and a Michigan State team that dominated it's schedule with the top defense in the country.

I think we're going to see that it won't be news when the SEC gets 2 teams in the playoff. It'll be news when they don't. Right now the SEC is by far and away playing the best football followed by the PAC12 and BIG12. Those conferences should and will get the benefit of the doubt over the ACC when it comes to getting a 2nd team in a playoff. It's not to say that it's impossible for the ACC to get a 2nd team in. But as I've pointed out above, history isn't on your side.

TigerFan95 writes:

in response to YabbaDaboDooDoo:

2 SEC teams have finished in the top 4 of the final BCS standings for the past 3 seasons. So it stands to reason that a playoff would've most likely included 2 SEC teams had a playoff been in place. Do you know how many times an ACC school has even finished in the top 4 of the BCS standings? FIVE! FSU 1998, FSU 1999, FSU 2000, VT 2007, FSU 2013. The ACC has a hard enough time finding 1 team in a position to compete for a national championship, much less 2.

The conference you play in and the quality of your schedule matters. Michigan State lost 1 game on the road by 4 points @ND. They won every other game on their schedule by double digits. Auburn was losing to Mississippi State for nearly the entire 2nd half AT HOME until the final 10 seconds. Auburn was losing at TX A&M late in the 4th quarter until a TD with 1:19 left. And then Auburn still needed 2 miracles/gifts against UGA and Alabama to even get to the SEC championship game. The difference b/t Auburn being 9-4 and 12-1 was razor thin and yet no one even blinked when deciding b/t an Auburn team with a ton of luck on their side and a Michigan State team that dominated it's schedule with the top defense in the country.

I think we're going to see that it won't be news when the SEC gets 2 teams in the playoff. It'll be news when they don't. Right now the SEC is by far and away playing the best football followed by the PAC12 and BIG12. Those conferences should and will get the benefit of the doubt over the ACC when it comes to getting a 2nd team in a playoff. It's not to say that it's impossible for the ACC to get a 2nd team in. But as I've pointed out above, history isn't on your side.

I didn’t say that the SEC isn’t the best conference or that strength of schedule will not be considered. My point is that the SEC won’t put two teams in the playoff as often as SEC ditto heads think they will and that the ACC--with the addition of teams like Miami & VT--- has just as much of a chance of putting two teams in the playoff as any other conference outside of the SEC does.

If the current playoff system had been used since the BCS system was put in place in 1998, and the BCS ranking system used to select the four teams, the SEC would have put two teams in the playoff a total of 5 times out 16. The Big 12 would have done it four times and the Big 10 & Pac 12 once each. The ACC would not have done it without current members Miami & VT. However, if those two teams had been in the conference since ’98 it would have happened twice.

My feeling is that the SEC will likely put in two teams only in years when they have two or more teams with 11-1 or better records. That’s happened 5 times since 1998. In years that it doesn’t, teams with 11-1 records (no matter the conference) and reasonably strong schedules will likely get selected ahead of any 9-2 team from the SEC. I guarantee you if Clemson is sitting there at 11-1 at the end of this season with their lone loss to FSU, they will very much be in consideration for the playoff. That’s assuming UGA doesn’t tank again after we beat them and SC has lived up to their hype and has a good ranking when we beat them as well.

33dtb writes:

in response to TheTruth46:

Good luck with that gents. Six is indeed a magical number. Nothing like a nice stroll in the valley in late November.

Clemson leads, 65-42-5
Current streak: South Carolina, five

SC LONGEST WIN STREAK
5 2009-2013
CU LONGEST WIN STREAK
7 1934-1940

Clemson 4-peats
1897-1900
1916-1919
1927-1930
1934-1940 (7!!)
80-83
88-91
97-2000
02-05
SCAR's 4-peats
51-54
09-12

Yeah, they've got quite a lot of catching up to do in the 4-peat department as well as the most wins in a row.

TigerFan95 writes:

in response to 33dtb:

Clemson leads, 65-42-5
Current streak: South Carolina, five

SC LONGEST WIN STREAK
5 2009-2013
CU LONGEST WIN STREAK
7 1934-1940

Clemson 4-peats
1897-1900
1916-1919
1927-1930
1934-1940 (7!!)
80-83
88-91
97-2000
02-05
SCAR's 4-peats
51-54
09-12

Yeah, they've got quite a lot of catching up to do in the 4-peat department as well as the most wins in a row.

You’re wasting your time man..Cocklovers like this DA don’t acknowledge anything that happened in CFB prior to 5 years ago….But I have a feeling their opinions will change in November when their “epic” streak ends…LOL.

kellytown writes:

in response to YabbaDaboDooDoo:

2 SEC teams have finished in the top 4 of the final BCS standings for the past 3 seasons. So it stands to reason that a playoff would've most likely included 2 SEC teams had a playoff been in place. Do you know how many times an ACC school has even finished in the top 4 of the BCS standings? FIVE! FSU 1998, FSU 1999, FSU 2000, VT 2007, FSU 2013. The ACC has a hard enough time finding 1 team in a position to compete for a national championship, much less 2.

The conference you play in and the quality of your schedule matters. Michigan State lost 1 game on the road by 4 points @ND. They won every other game on their schedule by double digits. Auburn was losing to Mississippi State for nearly the entire 2nd half AT HOME until the final 10 seconds. Auburn was losing at TX A&M late in the 4th quarter until a TD with 1:19 left. And then Auburn still needed 2 miracles/gifts against UGA and Alabama to even get to the SEC championship game. The difference b/t Auburn being 9-4 and 12-1 was razor thin and yet no one even blinked when deciding b/t an Auburn team with a ton of luck on their side and a Michigan State team that dominated it's schedule with the top defense in the country.

I think we're going to see that it won't be news when the SEC gets 2 teams in the playoff. It'll be news when they don't. Right now the SEC is by far and away playing the best football followed by the PAC12 and BIG12. Those conferences should and will get the benefit of the doubt over the ACC when it comes to getting a 2nd team in a playoff. It's not to say that it's impossible for the ACC to get a 2nd team in. But as I've pointed out above, history isn't on your side.

you know this is what I think about what you have to say. Neither of them had on garnet and black!!!. Yes you have bragging rights with beating Clemson 5 straight years. And thats all you can say. You have won bowl games to lesser ranked teams. We have won bowl games to higher ranked teams. How about this we beat Auburn 2 out of 3 times we played them. the year that they won the NC we lost in a very close game. You remember that was the first and only time the dirt peckers made it to the SEC championship game. You know auburn put 50 points on yall.

TigerFan95 writes:

in response to kellytown:

you know this is what I think about what you have to say. Neither of them had on garnet and black!!!. Yes you have bragging rights with beating Clemson 5 straight years. And thats all you can say. You have won bowl games to lesser ranked teams. We have won bowl games to higher ranked teams. How about this we beat Auburn 2 out of 3 times we played them. the year that they won the NC we lost in a very close game. You remember that was the first and only time the dirt peckers made it to the SEC championship game. You know auburn put 50 points on yall.

What's even funnier is that for over 20 years SC fans have been moaning about how tough the SEC East is to win and then some two-bit Big 12 team comes in and wins it in only their second year..LOL!

gamecockg writes:

Get out the KY, because the way I see it clemson will go (8-4) losses to Georgia,Fla ST,Louisville,South Carolina.Just my opinion.

YabbaDaboDooDoo writes:

in response to kellytown:

you know this is what I think about what you have to say. Neither of them had on garnet and black!!!. Yes you have bragging rights with beating Clemson 5 straight years. And thats all you can say. You have won bowl games to lesser ranked teams. We have won bowl games to higher ranked teams. How about this we beat Auburn 2 out of 3 times we played them. the year that they won the NC we lost in a very close game. You remember that was the first and only time the dirt peckers made it to the SEC championship game. You know auburn put 50 points on yall.

Get over yourself and your knee-jerk reaction to attack South Carolina. I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT SOUTH CAROLINA. It is possible for someone who is not a Gamecock fan to say something critical about Clemson.

Read what I wrote then use some brain cells. If a rational thought occurs, try making a counter-argument. Don't hurt yourself.

TheTruth46 writes:

in response to TigerFan95:

You’re wasting your time man..Cocklovers like this DA don’t acknowledge anything that happened in CFB prior to 5 years ago….But I have a feeling their opinions will change in November when their “epic” streak ends…LOL.

Too funny. You, 33, and most Clemmers must have gotten a lifetime membership to The History Channel for Christmas. Call me names or whatever you wish. Just reenforces the lack of class on your part. Nothing changes the fact, as of now, you are nothing more than chicken feed. Don't be too upset when you get spanked again in November. The number is 5...read it and weep. We'll see if you are LOL at that time.

YabbaDaboDooDoo writes:

in response to TigerFan95:

What's even funnier is that for over 20 years SC fans have been moaning about how tough the SEC East is to win and then some two-bit Big 12 team comes in and wins it in only their second year..LOL!

Missouri finished ahead of you in the polls. If Missouri is a "two-bit Big 12 team" then what does that make you? Pinkel's a good coach and he's had some good teams. His best Missouri team was #1 in the country going into the Big12 championship game. And they did it in the Big 12 which is a much tougher conference than the ACC. Last year's team was almost undefeated going into the SEC championship game had it not been for the loss against South Carolina in which Missouri didn't have their starting QB due to injury. Missouri's a good program that will hold their own in the SEC east.

<Here's the part where someone responds by reflex "Oh yeah, well South Carolina's never been that good">

To which I respond yet again... I don't care about South Carolina.

TigerFan95 writes:

in response to YabbaDaboDooDoo:

Missouri finished ahead of you in the polls. If Missouri is a "two-bit Big 12 team" then what does that make you? Pinkel's a good coach and he's had some good teams. His best Missouri team was #1 in the country going into the Big12 championship game. And they did it in the Big 12 which is a much tougher conference than the ACC. Last year's team was almost undefeated going into the SEC championship game had it not been for the loss against South Carolina in which Missouri didn't have their starting QB due to injury. Missouri's a good program that will hold their own in the SEC east.

<Here's the part where someone responds by reflex "Oh yeah, well South Carolina's never been that good">

To which I respond yet again... I don't care about South Carolina.

Never heard of their coach...Could care less about Missouri..Just know that they have ugly uniforms and we beat them 60-10 or something in DV a few years back...Yeah, they seemed like they had a real great program back then.

As for them in the SEC…It seems like I remember when they came into the conference in 2012 all the ditto heads at ESPN were saying it would take them a decade or so of recruiting to “catch up to the SEC in talent". Yet, they win the SEC East two years later with mostly guys that were recruited when they were in the Big 12 and went 5-4 in that conference in 2011...For some reason, I've never heard any of those “experts” at ESPN say how wrong they were.

clemvol writes:

in response to TheTruth46:

Too funny. You, 33, and most Clemmers must have gotten a lifetime membership to The History Channel for Christmas. Call me names or whatever you wish. Just reenforces the lack of class on your part. Nothing changes the fact, as of now, you are nothing more than chicken feed. Don't be too upset when you get spanked again in November. The number is 5...read it and weep. We'll see if you are LOL at that time.

You know Tigerfan95 is right. Now what's going to be funny is when the streak ends ( and it will end this year ) all the talk about "History Majors" and the "History Channel" will be on the other foot. Just a heads up, i'm gonna laugh and laugh then laugh some more. Get ready.

TheTruth46 writes:

in response to clemvol:

You know Tigerfan95 is right. Now what's going to be funny is when the streak ends ( and it will end this year ) all the talk about "History Majors" and the "History Channel" will be on the other foot. Just a heads up, i'm gonna laugh and laugh then laugh some more. Get ready.

Just another heads up for you. If I were you, I wouldn't be betting the double wide on this year. Here's hoping you whine, whine again, and then whine some more, as well as you laugh and laugh. Possibly Santa will bring your enrollment to The History Channel this Christmas. Just another leisurely November stroll in the valley. Get ready as well.

clemvol writes:

We're ready but the chicken fans are not. That my friend is your history and fact. Bring it on.

harryD writes:

I'll bet my single wide on the game in Nov. And hopefully truths momma doesn't quit her job at Dennys so he can keep talking shite on the Internet from her basement

harryD writes:

in response to kellytown:

you know this is what I think about what you have to say. Neither of them had on garnet and black!!!. Yes you have bragging rights with beating Clemson 5 straight years. And thats all you can say. You have won bowl games to lesser ranked teams. We have won bowl games to higher ranked teams. How about this we beat Auburn 2 out of 3 times we played them. the year that they won the NC we lost in a very close game. You remember that was the first and only time the dirt peckers made it to the SEC championship game. You know auburn put 50 points on yall.

I was beginning to think I was the only one who saw Cam spank those boys in Atlanta. Refs screwed us in double ot on a field goal if my memory is correct

TheTruth46 writes:

in response to harryD:

I'll bet my single wide on the game in Nov. And hopefully truths momma doesn't quit her job at Dennys so he can keep talking shite on the Internet from her basement

Hairy... you always entertain me. For your information...my mom is deceased, and I'll talk all the smack I wish, as you do. If you wish to wager your single wide... your hand is called as of now. Put up or shut up. My best guess is you and all your Clemmer buds will still be trying to convince yourselves in March of next year that you won the game...just as you have the last several years.

MoncksTater writes:

Half of the Dirtpeckers out there cannot count past five , on account of the other hand needing to be used.
We will most likely be the better team this year , and all that history they have built since 2009 will be washed away . Then , we can expect a precipitous drop in Coot sightings around Clemson fan sites.

gamecockg writes:

in response to MoncksTater:

Half of the Dirtpeckers out there cannot count past five , on account of the other hand needing to be used.
We will most likely be the better team this year , and all that history they have built since 2009 will be washed away . Then , we can expect a precipitous drop in Coot sightings around Clemson fan sites.

We will most likely be the better team, Tater you cannot be that Dumb.Keep drinking that dabo koolaid.Like I said Clemson will go 8-4 this year.

fasttiger44#293363 writes:

in response to TigerFan95:

You’re wasting your time man..Cocklovers like this DA don’t acknowledge anything that happened in CFB prior to 5 years ago….But I have a feeling their opinions will change in November when their “epic” streak ends…LOL.

And let us not forget from the year 1998 thru the year 2008, one year before their streak of 5 began, we won 9 out of 11. You reckon they all forgot about the hind end kicking we have put on them since they start playing football way back in 1896 or whenever it was?

TigerFan95 writes:

in response to gamecockg:

We will most likely be the better team, Tater you cannot be that Dumb.Keep drinking that dabo koolaid.Like I said Clemson will go 8-4 this year.

Gamecock, Be careful what you predict because with serious questions on defense and a new QB the gamecocks could just as easily go 8-4 themselves..Perhaps even worse, much worse. I wouldn't be putting a W in the win column by A&M, UGA, Auburn, FL, UT, Mizzu & CU just yet. Seems like ESPN has been in full hype mode over you guys since the spring game and if anybody has been drinking strange tasting kool aid it's you guys. Like I said, be careful. Be very careful.

YabbaDaboDooDoo writes:

in response to TigerFan95:

Never heard of their coach...Could care less about Missouri..Just know that they have ugly uniforms and we beat them 60-10 or something in DV a few years back...Yeah, they seemed like they had a real great program back then.

As for them in the SEC…It seems like I remember when they came into the conference in 2012 all the ditto heads at ESPN were saying it would take them a decade or so of recruiting to “catch up to the SEC in talent". Yet, they win the SEC East two years later with mostly guys that were recruited when they were in the Big 12 and went 5-4 in that conference in 2011...For some reason, I've never heard any of those “experts” at ESPN say how wrong they were.

That win over Missouri was in 2000. To put that in perspective, you had just hired Tommy Bowden... and were still excited about it. Saying you beat Missouri a few years back is like saying Lee surrendered to Grant a few decades back. The fact that you can remember a Clemson-Missouri game from 2000 but you can't remember the Kansas-Missouri game at the end of the 2007 regular season to decide the #1 ranking tells me that you only watch Clemson football. I don't know which ESPN people you're talking about but you're making it sound like Duke joined the SEC EAST and started slapping everyone around. Missouri has a good football program. BTW, Missouri had been to 7 straight bowls and 8 bowls in the previous 9 seasons prior to joining the SEC. Missouri went 2-6 in the SEC in their 1st season with no bowl game so again, they didn't come in slapping everyone around.

We can start talking about other conference divisions if you want to. I'd love to see you defend the dreaded Atlantic division and how Clemson has played NC State, Wake Forest, Maryland, and BC every year.

33dtb writes:

in response to TheTruth46:

Too funny. You, 33, and most Clemmers must have gotten a lifetime membership to The History Channel for Christmas. Call me names or whatever you wish. Just reenforces the lack of class on your part. Nothing changes the fact, as of now, you are nothing more than chicken feed. Don't be too upset when you get spanked again in November. The number is 5...read it and weep. We'll see if you are LOL at that time.

......................." The number is 5...read it and weep."...........

'Course THAT"S not "history".....just 'Gcocks trying to have it both ways......won so little over the years...

TigerFan95 writes:

in response to YabbaDaboDooDoo:

That win over Missouri was in 2000. To put that in perspective, you had just hired Tommy Bowden... and were still excited about it. Saying you beat Missouri a few years back is like saying Lee surrendered to Grant a few decades back. The fact that you can remember a Clemson-Missouri game from 2000 but you can't remember the Kansas-Missouri game at the end of the 2007 regular season to decide the #1 ranking tells me that you only watch Clemson football. I don't know which ESPN people you're talking about but you're making it sound like Duke joined the SEC EAST and started slapping everyone around. Missouri has a good football program. BTW, Missouri had been to 7 straight bowls and 8 bowls in the previous 9 seasons prior to joining the SEC. Missouri went 2-6 in the SEC in their 1st season with no bowl game so again, they didn't come in slapping everyone around.

We can start talking about other conference divisions if you want to. I'd love to see you defend the dreaded Atlantic division and how Clemson has played NC State, Wake Forest, Maryland, and BC every year.

Perhaps that Missouri/Clemson game was a bit further back than I realized, but I guess time seems to fly by quicker as I get older. The fact is, no matter how hard you try to make Missouri out to be Bama or Southern Cal, they are a mediocre team at best. Yes, they may have had a decent year six years ago back in 2007, but otherwise they did jack-squat in the Big 12. The fact that they went to 7 bowl games is not impressive because everyone goes to bowls these days. No, the ACC Atlantic is not as tough as the SEC East….I’ve never claimed it to be.... But anyone can see that the SEC East has been a dumpster fire the last 5-6 years with UF & UT hitting the skids and UGA being overwhelmingly average. However, teams like SC who have moaned & groaned for over twenty years about how tough their division is have as of now blown their chance to take advantage of it while teams like Missouri, who are just as average as they are, walk in and win it right off the bat.. Makes SC look a bit silly doesn’t it?

BTW, no I didn’t watch that Missouri/Kansas game for one of two reasons: (1)Because yes, I only watch Clemson games when I’m actually attending Clemson games, or (2) Because who the heck watches Missouri vs Kansas other than folks in Missouri & Kansas? LOL

TheTruth46 writes:

in response to TigerFan95:

Perhaps that Missouri/Clemson game was a bit further back than I realized, but I guess time seems to fly by quicker as I get older. The fact is, no matter how hard you try to make Missouri out to be Bama or Southern Cal, they are a mediocre team at best. Yes, they may have had a decent year six years ago back in 2007, but otherwise they did jack-squat in the Big 12. The fact that they went to 7 bowl games is not impressive because everyone goes to bowls these days. No, the ACC Atlantic is not as tough as the SEC East….I’ve never claimed it to be.... But anyone can see that the SEC East has been a dumpster fire the last 5-6 years with UF & UT hitting the skids and UGA being overwhelmingly average. However, teams like SC who have moaned & groaned for over twenty years about how tough their division is have as of now blown their chance to take advantage of it while teams like Missouri, who are just as average as they are, walk in and win it right off the bat.. Makes SC look a bit silly doesn’t it?

BTW, no I didn’t watch that Missouri/Kansas game for one of two reasons: (1)Because yes, I only watch Clemson games when I’m actually attending Clemson games, or (2) Because who the heck watches Missouri vs Kansas other than folks in Missouri & Kansas? LOL

Gosh, with such infallible data and information from the wizard of college football, what is one to think? With SC being so "average" and looking so silly...how does Clemmons look after being dominated for 5 consecutive years, and the possibility of a 6th looming just 6 months away. Does the word...pitiful..register with you? BTW, referring to your previous post concerning SC's QB for this coming season..take a moment and revisit November, 2012, in the valley. Do you recall who SC's QB was on the fateful day? I'd say SC's QB situation for this coming season is much better that Clemmons.

YabbaDaboDooDoo writes:

in response to TigerFan95:

Perhaps that Missouri/Clemson game was a bit further back than I realized, but I guess time seems to fly by quicker as I get older. The fact is, no matter how hard you try to make Missouri out to be Bama or Southern Cal, they are a mediocre team at best. Yes, they may have had a decent year six years ago back in 2007, but otherwise they did jack-squat in the Big 12. The fact that they went to 7 bowl games is not impressive because everyone goes to bowls these days. No, the ACC Atlantic is not as tough as the SEC East….I’ve never claimed it to be.... But anyone can see that the SEC East has been a dumpster fire the last 5-6 years with UF & UT hitting the skids and UGA being overwhelmingly average. However, teams like SC who have moaned & groaned for over twenty years about how tough their division is have as of now blown their chance to take advantage of it while teams like Missouri, who are just as average as they are, walk in and win it right off the bat.. Makes SC look a bit silly doesn’t it?

BTW, no I didn’t watch that Missouri/Kansas game for one of two reasons: (1)Because yes, I only watch Clemson games when I’m actually attending Clemson games, or (2) Because who the heck watches Missouri vs Kansas other than folks in Missouri & Kansas? LOL

If you watched Missouri play last year and thought they were mediocre then I can't help you. They were clearly 1 of the best teams in the country and were clearly better than both Alabama and Southern Cal. There was nothing average about Missouri. Their ONLY regular season loss was a 2OT game in which their starting QB didn't play due to injury. They played Auburn tough and put 42 points on them and then beat a very good Oklahoma State team. There's a reason they finished the season ranked 5th. If you want to argue they were mediocre last season then be my guest but you don't have a lot of support for that argument. If you want to argue that Missouri isn't historically a football powerhouse, then no one will argue with you. If you want to argue that Missouri is a mediocre football program then recent history isn't on your side. Because going into the 2007 conference championship game, Missouri was #1 in the country and controlled their national championship destiny. And last year Missouri could've made a compelling case for the national championship had they pulled out the win over Auburn (would've been SEC champs with only loss in 2OT). When was the last time Clemson was even in the national championship conversation after finishing the regular season?

Let's look at the recent history of the SEC East since you think it's so bad. Missouri and South Carolina both finished the season in the top 5. Florida and Georgia were both ranked in the top 10 to start the season. Both were absolutely decimated by injuries. You do remember that Georgia came into Death Valley to start the season and only lost by a FG, right? But despite the problems with Florida and Georgia, the SEC East still had 3 of the 7 teams finish the season ranked. Then you look at 2012. 4 of the 7 SEC East teams finished the season ranked, 3 of them in the top 10. And Georgia was within seconds of beating Alabama in the GA Dome and then playing for the national championship. The last 2 years have been fine. 2009-2011 were a little rough. And of course you know Florida won the national championship 2 of 3 years prior to that. You're calling the SEC a dumpster fire b/c Florida hasn't had the same success under Muschamp and b/c Tennessee made some bad coaching hires. But answer me this: Other than the SEC WEST, what other conference division is better than the SEC East?

clemvol writes:

in response to YabbaDaboDooDoo:

If you watched Missouri play last year and thought they were mediocre then I can't help you. They were clearly 1 of the best teams in the country and were clearly better than both Alabama and Southern Cal. There was nothing average about Missouri. Their ONLY regular season loss was a 2OT game in which their starting QB didn't play due to injury. They played Auburn tough and put 42 points on them and then beat a very good Oklahoma State team. There's a reason they finished the season ranked 5th. If you want to argue they were mediocre last season then be my guest but you don't have a lot of support for that argument. If you want to argue that Missouri isn't historically a football powerhouse, then no one will argue with you. If you want to argue that Missouri is a mediocre football program then recent history isn't on your side. Because going into the 2007 conference championship game, Missouri was #1 in the country and controlled their national championship destiny. And last year Missouri could've made a compelling case for the national championship had they pulled out the win over Auburn (would've been SEC champs with only loss in 2OT). When was the last time Clemson was even in the national championship conversation after finishing the regular season?

Let's look at the recent history of the SEC East since you think it's so bad. Missouri and South Carolina both finished the season in the top 5. Florida and Georgia were both ranked in the top 10 to start the season. Both were absolutely decimated by injuries. You do remember that Georgia came into Death Valley to start the season and only lost by a FG, right? But despite the problems with Florida and Georgia, the SEC East still had 3 of the 7 teams finish the season ranked. Then you look at 2012. 4 of the 7 SEC East teams finished the season ranked, 3 of them in the top 10. And Georgia was within seconds of beating Alabama in the GA Dome and then playing for the national championship. The last 2 years have been fine. 2009-2011 were a little rough. And of course you know Florida won the national championship 2 of 3 years prior to that. You're calling the SEC a dumpster fire b/c Florida hasn't had the same success under Muschamp and b/c Tennessee made some bad coaching hires. But answer me this: Other than the SEC WEST, what other conference division is better than the SEC East?

Still doesn't change the FACT that south caroslima has been, will always be a "runner up" in the sec.( How much you wanna bet someone will reply " well, we're number one in this state buddy" ). Here it comes.

gamecockg writes:

in response to clemvol:

Still doesn't change the FACT that south caroslima has been, will always be a "runner up" in the sec.( How much you wanna bet someone will reply " well, we're number one in this state buddy" ). Here it comes.

If it come down to being runner up in the SEC I can take it as long as we DRAG,KICK,and BEAT clemson AS#.

clemvol writes:

in response to gamecockg:

If it come down to being runner up in the SEC I can take it as long as we DRAG,KICK,and BEAT clemson AS#.

Finally, somebody that is truthful. The feeling is mutual from the flip side. Now that you've been set up it will be remembered as we go forward. Here we go.

gamecockg writes:

Remember this,best coach ( Coach SPURRIER is still in dabo head )Better team = WIN

YabbaDaboDooDoo writes:

in response to clemvol:

Still doesn't change the FACT that south caroslima has been, will always be a "runner up" in the sec.( How much you wanna bet someone will reply " well, we're number one in this state buddy" ). Here it comes.

Well, in 7 of the past 8 years the SEC champion and the national champion were 1 and the same. So everyone finished behind the SEC champion including Clemson. In fact, when was the last time Clemson finished higher in the rankings than the SEC champ?

You're one to talk about finishing "runner up". How many championships have you won since Florida State joined the ACC? 1? Not a lot to cheer about when you have another school in your conference that actually cares about football. Kind of hard to make fun of others when your trophy case has been pretty bare for the past 2 decades.

I don't know why you're piling on South Carolina and the SEC. They're playing at the highest level of competition in college football and they're winning 11 games a year lately... all while kicking your butt year after year. So they haven't won the SEC. The average crowd in the SEC is 76k+ as compared to 49k in the ACC. So while they're playing the best football teams out there in front of packed houses every week, you're playing road games against Wake Forest, Maryland, BC, and Duke in front of nobody.

clemvol writes:

It seems like someone's feelings are hurt because of talking down about the "wittle chicks" and sec. I will say Clemson has a Trophy case where the "cluckers" have a curio cabinet.Also,the last 7 sec teams that won a NC the majority of these were from which side of the conference. As far as the chickens or ANY other team ( Clemson Included ) winning 11 games i can't believe anyone would brag about this when your schedule has fcs schools to play. Caroslima playing the best teams out there in front of packed houses? Give us a break.

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