Most ACC Atlantic Division rivals drawing talent from three-star level

Clemson, FSU have 24 4-star prospects, rest of the division has combined for three

Clemson's Tajh Boyd is sacked by N.C. State during the first quarter at Carter Finley Stadium in Raleigh, North Carolina.

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Clemson's Tajh Boyd is sacked by N.C. State during the first quarter at Carter Finley Stadium in Raleigh, North Carolina.

With signing day just a week away, here's a quick look at how recruiting is shaping up in the ACC's Atlantic Division.

(Rankings are based on 247Sports Composite Ratings, which include data from 247Sports, Rivals, Scout, ESPN and others).

Atlantic Division

Boston College

(#44, 27 commitments, 0 5-star, 0 4-star, 23 3-star)

Top commitments include running back Jonathan Hillman, who had an offer from Alabama; defensive end Harold Landry, who was recruited by Clemson and FSU; and in-state linebacker Connor Strachan. The Eagles have five early enrollees, including offensive lineman Jon Baker, quarterback Darius Wade, wide receiver Isaac Yiadom, safety Allen Dawson and Landry.

Clemson

(#14, 19 commitments, 0 5-star, 10 4-star, 9 3-star)

The Tigers have restocked at the wide receiver position with four top-20 prospects – Artavis Scott, Demarre Kitt, Kyrin Priester and Travion Thompson – and at quarterback with top-rated Deshaun Watson. Other strengths include linebacker (Korie Rogers and Chris Register), tight end (Milan Richard and Cannon Smith), and running back (C.J. Fuller, Jae'lon Oglesby and Adam Choice).

Florida State

(#5, 28 commitments, 1 5-star, 14 4-star, 12 3-star)

Five-star running back Dalvin Cook (previously committed to both Clemson and Florida) is an early enrollee who'll make up for the early departure of Devonta Freeman and James Wilder, Travis Rudolph will have a chance for early playing time in place of Kelvin Benjamin. The Seminoles are adding two four-star quarterbacks in J.J. Cosentino and Treon Harris and three four-star offensive linemen Alec Eberle, Corey Martinez and Chad Mavety.

Louisville

(#45, 18 commitments, 0 5-star, 0 4-star, 17 3-star)

New coach Bobby Petrino is scrambling down the home stretch after losing several highly-rated commitments in the wake of Charlie Strong's departure for Texas. Currently, the Cardinals' class is comprised mostly of high three-star prospects like defensive back Nilijah Ballew, quarterback Reggie Bonnafon, defensive backs Michael Johnson and De'Eric Culver and defensive end Terry Ramsey.

N.C. State

(#33, 30 commitments, 0 5-star, 2 4-star, 25 3-star)

The league's largest class is heavily tilted toward defensive improvement, highlighted by four-star defensive ends Kentavious Street and Justin Jones and highly-rated linebaker Germaine Pratt. Coach Dave Doeren has strengthened the Wolfpack's position in-state versus rival North Carolina. State's commitment list includes quarterback Jalan McClendon, cornerback Troy Vincent and offensive linemen Will Richardson and Tyler Jones

Syracuse

(#58, 17 commitments, 0 5-star, 1 4-star, 15 3-star)

The Orange is just beginning to find its way around the ACC recruiting landscape, but coach Scott Shafer has nonetheless put together a solid class, headlined by four-star wideout K.J. Williams. The Orange took a blow when Wake Forest nabbed defensive tackle Zeek Rodney off the Syracuse commitment list. Top additions include quarterback Alin Edouard, wide receivers Chris Slayton and Jamal Custis and cornerback Juwan Dowels.

Wake Forest

(#66, 18 commitments, 0 5-star, 0 4-star, 16 3-star)

Time will tell how new coach Dave Clawson will adapt Wake's recruiting footprint, but for now, he appears to be doing well mining the same pool of high three-stars that Jim Grobe utilized. The Deacon picked up a recent flip from Louisville in defensive end Rashawn Shaw, and have shown continued staying power with selected in-state prospects, including wide receiver Jaylan Barbour, running back Isaiah Robinson, defensive back Lemar Harris and linebacker Kalin McNeil.

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tigerrob44#291802 writes:

The star rating system is one way and as good a way as any to let a coach, fan or anyone interested as to how good a player may or may not be. Think about this: Team A recruits two 5 star, twelve 4 star and four 3 star. Team B recruits one 5 star, ten 4 star and six 3 star. You would automatically think team A had recruited better players. Maybe so but maybe not so, either. Take a look at the top 300 rated players by ESPN and your 4 star guys may be ranked from 22 thru 50 while team A 4 star guys were ranked 75 thru 150. Based on ESPN’s top 300 players Team B had a better recruiting class. And then it comes to coaching and whether the ranking system was right on the money or off a little bit. Those teams with only 1 or 2 four star and the rest 3 star have a hard time competing with the big boys. For you non-believers, go to the ESPN top 300 and see how many Alabama has coming in and out highly they are ranked and then you will see what I am saying is true. They recruited the number one and number two offensive centers in the nation.

meb4077 writes:

That just comes down to variation. 12 4 star and 12 3 star vs 10 4 star and 14 3 star probably isn't statistically different. 24 4 star vs 24 3 star probably is.

YabbaDaboDooDoo writes:

in response to tigerrob44#291802:

The star rating system is one way and as good a way as any to let a coach, fan or anyone interested as to how good a player may or may not be. Think about this: Team A recruits two 5 star, twelve 4 star and four 3 star. Team B recruits one 5 star, ten 4 star and six 3 star. You would automatically think team A had recruited better players. Maybe so but maybe not so, either. Take a look at the top 300 rated players by ESPN and your 4 star guys may be ranked from 22 thru 50 while team A 4 star guys were ranked 75 thru 150. Based on ESPN’s top 300 players Team B had a better recruiting class. And then it comes to coaching and whether the ranking system was right on the money or off a little bit. Those teams with only 1 or 2 four star and the rest 3 star have a hard time competing with the big boys. For you non-believers, go to the ESPN top 300 and see how many Alabama has coming in and out highly they are ranked and then you will see what I am saying is true. They recruited the number one and number two offensive centers in the nation.

Alabama recruits the best players in the country and most of the time they get who they target. There's not really a point to be made about Alabama's recruiting.

Your team A and team B scenario is just splitting hairs. Arguing over who's 4-star recruits are ranked higher is stupid. It's just someone's opinion and there are other factors that contribute to how well your recruiting class turns out. Some kids end up academically ineligible. Some kids switch positions once they get to college. A lot of them initially redshirt. There's too many factors when it comes to football to say who got the better class in your team A and team B scenario. Basketball is much easier to rank classes and the basketball rankings are usually a much better predictor of future success.

YabbaDaboDooDoo writes:

Really? FSU and Clemson had better recruiting classes than the dwarfs of the Atlantic? Shocker!

tigerrob44#291802 writes:

TO YaBABADO: If you think I'm splitting hairs with my explanation, go to the ESPN top 300 and you will see what I say is exactly right. I don't split hairs when I write on something that is based on fact. I don't make this stuff up for people like you to try to discredit what I write. And why is it wrong to use Alabama in my writing. They are a Div 1 college team and they get most of the best and top ranked 4 star players and that's why they are generally one of the two or three best teams. Check the record and statistics before you question what I say. And another thing, my analogy is not stupid, it is the one way to actually know who may have the best players. You saying it is stupid is what is stupid.

tigerrob44#291802 writes:

YaBo: Another thing: You are talking like a Team A could get 10 five star recruits and not win a game because they all broke their backs in a bus accident. That's ridiculous to say something like that. Everyone knows some players don't pan out but based on the star rating system is how you know who got the best players...period! Do you know the difference in objectivity versus subjectivity? The ESPN top 300 is not based on subjective thinking and you are implying just that in a small way, I would say. It is as objective thinking as possible.

clemvol writes:

From 5 stars to 3 stars coaching will always be the measurement on just how good your decision was to offer a kid. How much desire and heart and drive will always show between these players. It's unfortunate you won't find this out until battle tested. Most guys are big fish in a little pond in High School before jumping to college and most guys are big fish in little ponds in College before attempting to jump to the NFL. Talent is one thing but excellent focused coaching is another.

TheTruth46 writes:

in response to YabbaDaboDooDoo:

Really? FSU and Clemson had better recruiting classes than the dwarfs of the Atlantic? Shocker!

Be very careful sir, or tigger-robbie will dazzle you with his uncommon brilliance.

FlopEye writes:

Remember what Mark Twain said about his
evaluation of how his Father's intelligence
dramatically increased as Twain grew older.
Recruits should not be rated until they
become Juniors in college. Rating them as
they come out of high school is an exercise
in futility.

tigerrob44#291802 writes:

To all that have commented on the star rating system. It is as good a way as any to get an idea of who has the good players and who has the not as good players. Not all 5 star recruits pan out as some of the 3 star become 5 star players. Somebody sure did miss on Chandler Catanzaro. He was a walk-on and is as good a place kicker as Clemson has ever had. Wasn't Mike Bellamy a 5 star recruit. Missed on that one. Take a piece from me, piece from a couple of others and somewhere in there you aren't any closer to knowing than we do now. All of you make valid points but I believe in the ESPN top 300 and the more players you have higher ranked in that list the more likely you will be a better team than a team with a bunch of lower ranked guys. Coaching has a lot to do with it but Danny was asked once what makes a good coach? His answer, "Good players". Take it for what you think it's worth.

TigerFan95 writes:

in response to YabbaDaboDooDoo:

Really? FSU and Clemson had better recruiting classes than the dwarfs of the Atlantic? Shocker!

According to Rivals.com, SC’s recruiting class is only three spots higher than one of those “dwarfs” in NC State. If I were a Gamecock I’d be real concerned that six of your annual rivals are kicking your butt right now in the recruiting rankings..Looks like you guys might be in for a real "shocker" of your own real soon.

tigerrob44#291802 writes:

in response to FlopEye:

Remember what Mark Twain said about his
evaluation of how his Father's intelligence
dramatically increased as Twain grew older.
Recruits should not be rated until they
become Juniors in college. Rating them as
they come out of high school is an exercise
in futility.

I have thought about that myself just as I have often wished they wouldn't rank teams until the 5th or 6th game of the year. Things would be closer to reality by then. When a team comes ranked number one in the first week they have to get beaten generally to knock them out of that high ranking. They may not be the best team but perception put them there based on tradition and what they did the year before. Alabama is a good example of being number one at the beginning of the year and staying there. The last couple of years they have actually lived up to that high ranking I would say. You may be right on the money with the rating system for players. And I am very familiar with Twain's sayings as I am with Will Rogers sayings. They both have insightful and very funny thoughts on many issues that applied in today's world just as it did in their world. Thanks for giving us all something to argue about. Just kidding we now have something else to discuss. I enjoy hearing other folk's point of view unless they are brain dead and sadly, there are some that write on this web site that do seem to have problems with the big organ in their head. At times, there may be some that think I am speaking of myself!!!

TheTruth46 writes:

in response to TigerFan95:

According to Rivals.com, SC’s recruiting class is only three spots higher than one of those “dwarfs” in NC State. If I were a Gamecock I’d be real concerned that six of your annual rivals are kicking your butt right now in the recruiting rankings..Looks like you guys might be in for a real "shocker" of your own real soon.

If I were a tigger, I'd be more concerned about my own recruiting class...and coaching staff. Those highly ranked classes appear to not be helping you much recently. Speaking of "shockers"...how about 5 in a row?

clemvol writes:

in response to TheTruth46:

If I were a tigger, I'd be more concerned about my own recruiting class...and coaching staff. Those highly ranked classes appear to not be helping you much recently. Speaking of "shockers"...how about 5 in a row?

I will say i don't concern myself to the point of freakin out over how a recruit is ranked. What i do concern myself with is how our coaching staff brings the players along and right now i would give them a poor,poor grade. What i do know for for a fact is that we have lost "5 times in a row" to someone that has our number and the fan base has every right to pound on this even if a "state championship" ( and i would like to see the trophy )is the only thing they can hang their hat on. That's o.k. and don't stop bringing it. Another thing i do know is that most everything is "what goes around, comes around" and the pendulum will swing again. When that happens remains to be seen and i will believe it when i see it. Now when i see it i will bring it and folks need to be ready to take it, and take it like a man. I hope no one runs and hide because there will be nowhere to hide. But for now keep brining the best shot. We can take it.

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