Dabo Swinney sees no silver lining, but says Tigers must respond and move on

'Florida State just outplayed us and out-coached us in every regard. Now we've just got to flush it and move on to Maryland'

Clemson's Darius Robinson stands near Clemson's Dabo Swinney late in the fourth quarter against FSU at Memorial Stadium in Clemson, S.C.

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Clemson's Darius Robinson stands near Clemson's Dabo Swinney late in the fourth quarter against FSU at Memorial Stadium in Clemson, S.C.

What's wrong with Clemson's Tigers?

Dabo Swinney believes it's nothing that a higher level of execution and performance won't cure.

At the same time, he said there was no silver lining to be found in the film review of the Tigers' 51-14 thrashing at the hands of Florida State Saturday night.

"The film wasn't any better," said Swinney during his Sunday evening teleconference. "Florida State is a good football team, and definitely not one that you want to help. We gave up 24 points off turnovers and scored none, we had 12 possessions, got into Florida State territory nine times, and scored twice.

"Florida State just outplayed us and out-coached us in every regard. Now we've just got to flush it and move on to Maryland. We had a great opportunity that we didn't take advantage of. We never did anything to get our crowd behind us as we'd have liked. But we can't let one game make or break our season."

Swinney said quarterback Tajh Boyd, who had a career low in total offense against an ACC opponent, "didn't have one of his better games."

"But I wouldn't trade him for anybody," Swinney said. "He's done great things for this program. He didn't have a great performance last night, but he'll get back to work and he'll play better."

Swinney said that Boyd, who sprained his ankle during the game and wore a walking boot to post-game interviews, "looked OK" Sunday morning, as did defensive tackle DeShawn Watson, who also suffered an ankle injury.

Swinney said the Tigers will be thin at cornerback this week against Maryland, especially in the first half, as Bashaud Breeland serves a half-game suspension after being ejected for a high hit against Jameis Winston.

The Tigers are already down one cornerback, with Garry Peters expected to miss the next 2-3 weeks with an injury.

Walk-on Jerrodd Williams and redshirt freshman Cordrea Tankersley will work as backup corners this week, behind Darius Robinson and Martin Jenkins.

Swinney said that while Breeland's hit on Winston "wasn't flagrant," it was properly called.

"It wasn't with the crowd of his helmet, it was his facemask," Swinney said. "But according to the rule, the quarterback is a defenseless guy who can't be hit above the shoulders."

Swinney said that while the poor performance and one-sided loss on Saturday "sets us back, because you want to win them all," he still believes the Tigers "have a heck of a football team."

"We took it on the chin - we flat-out didn't play well," he said. "Guys are hurting. We have to move on and focus on having the best season we can have. The reality is that we didn't do the things that we normally do to win games.

"They played better than we did. But instead of focusing on what could have been, we've got to focus on what still could be...We're a 6-1 football team still in the top 10 in late October, in the middle of a good season.

"Will it be a great season? It depends on how we respond."

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waran writes:

I like what Dabo said: 'Florida State just outplayed us and out-coached us in every regard"

And Spurier has done it 4 years in a row!!!

essoclub writes:

Our head coach needs to put up or shut up.

(1) Four straight losses to the Gamecocks, by an average of 17.5 points in each loss.
(2) The "new and improved" Tigers give up the most points in the history of the program at Death Valley.
(3) The Tigers give up the most points - EVER - in a bowl game (Orange Bowl vs. WVU).

Recruit a solid O-line, make a commitment to run the ball, and figure out a way to beat the Gamecocks. I suggest watching film from any of Danny Ford's Clemson teams.

Dabo is right that this team is not like the "old Clemson Tigers" as Ford's teams won big games and championships. They did it with smash mouth defensive play, a relentless punishing running game and impeccable special teams.

CUNo1Fan writes:

in response to essoclub:

Our head coach needs to put up or shut up.

(1) Four straight losses to the Gamecocks, by an average of 17.5 points in each loss.
(2) The "new and improved" Tigers give up the most points in the history of the program at Death Valley.
(3) The Tigers give up the most points - EVER - in a bowl game (Orange Bowl vs. WVU).

Recruit a solid O-line, make a commitment to run the ball, and figure out a way to beat the Gamecocks. I suggest watching film from any of Danny Ford's Clemson teams.

Dabo is right that this team is not like the "old Clemson Tigers" as Ford's teams won big games and championships. They did it with smash mouth defensive play, a relentless punishing running game and impeccable special teams.

Many tend to forget what the Clemson Program fell to after Ford "left". It was a dumpster fire under West and only improved to mediocrity under Bowden when the whole term "Clemsoning" was born. Dabo has done some great things for Clemson but still has a ways to go.

I agree that more emphasis must be given to recruiting top quality trench players especially on the O Line. It was supposed to be one of our strengths this year with 4 returning starters and it is not. They simply are not providing the protection required for the passing game nor winning the LOS battle to establish an effective running game. More than once this year on 3rd/4th and short or goal they have been stopped cold. To be an elite team, those situations should be golden.

Perhaps it starts with the players spending less time giving interviews and talking to the press and spending more time on the game. Perhaps it starts with spending more time on fundamentals such as proper tackling - I am sick of all the times what should have been an easy tackle ends up turning into a big gain because of the "big hit" mentality instead of proper tackling technique. Perhaps it starts with becoming physically tough on the field by spending more time actually hitting and playing live in practice which would foster more mental toughness as a result. Perhaps it starts with not being the players "best friend" and being more of the "coach". It seems to work well for the top coaches of today as well as the top coaches of the past (see Saban, Bryant, Ford, Paterno, Bowden Sr, etc.)

At this point, I'm not sure where it starts but more often than not (with a few exceptions - UGA and LSU), the Tigers seem to be woefully unprepared for the big games on a national stage and fall flat on their face (see #1,2,and 3 you state above). It is just unacceptable for the potential this team has and shows at times to be woefully unprepared to play like the Tigers were Sat night and have been in other big games.

As a fan, I can handle losing a game if the Tigers show up, give it their all, play a good game and just lose. It can be to a better team that just beat us or due to a bad break as long as we compete. It is just unacceptable to be woefully unprepared and embarrass the University and Fans like happened Saturday night.

I love the Tigers and will bleed orange regardless but it is time to fix this.

TRUETIGER1 writes:

Other teams rebuild in 3-5 years, we've been doing this crap for +-25 years. Nick Saban taught their coach, Tommy Bowden taught ours, enough said.

TigerFan95 writes:

Dabo doesn’t seem to understand or doesn’t want to admit that what happened Saturday isn’t like hooking up with some ugly chick one night and regretting it the next morning. You can’t just forget about it a move on. While this team is very good in certain areas, it’s also very flawed in others. Those flaws are not going to just go away if Dabo chooses to ignore them. I’m not saying we need wholesale changes, but we need a major change in philosophy in recruiting, coaching & developing certain positions, most notably our offensive and defensive lines. From a stratigic standpoint, we also need to add some traditional I-formations with the QB under center and a fullback to our playbook and run some more play action.

essoclub writes:

in response to TigerFan95:

Dabo doesn’t seem to understand or doesn’t want to admit that what happened Saturday isn’t like hooking up with some ugly chick one night and regretting it the next morning. You can’t just forget about it a move on. While this team is very good in certain areas, it’s also very flawed in others. Those flaws are not going to just go away if Dabo chooses to ignore them. I’m not saying we need wholesale changes, but we need a major change in philosophy in recruiting, coaching & developing certain positions, most notably our offensive and defensive lines. From a stratigic standpoint, we also need to add some traditional I-formations with the QB under center and a fullback to our playbook and run some more play action.

@TigerFan95: Very well-said. Your analogy cracked me up.

Our current offensive philosophy either produces some explosive plays followed by a TD or a three and out. We need some middle ground, and a power running game could certainly help to fill that void. Even if we are not able to move the chains on every drive, at a minimum, we will be taking time off of the clock, establishing a physical presence and resting our "D".

rsb8931#286014 writes:

While I agree with a lot of what I am reading, I am hesitant to go along with some of it. You have to remember in the decade of the eighties offenses ran some variation of the veer or wishbone or triple option, whatever you want to call it. Offensive linemen were recruited that were physically able to play in that type of an offense. Todays offenses are different and it takes a different kind of offensive lineman to be successful. Yes, if we run the spread offense, we should have linemen that are suited for that offense. I thought we were doing okay in that regards. You know, sometime there is a team that is just better than you and they kick your butt. I don't like it and I can't believe how they made it look so easy. I would have bet a lot of money nothing like what happened Saturday night would have happened. It did happen and instead of criticizing Dabo, which he probably deserves, we should all be asking ourselves the question is how can Florida State be tht much better when just last year we had 14 point lead on them with 10:22 left in the 3rd quarter. We lead SC at the half and played with our 3rd string defensive secondary. We have done well at times and we just had a bad game Saturday night. Had we played well and won, everybody would be talking about how great we are and what a great coach Dabo is. The same players are there today that were there on September 1 after we beat the number 5 team in the nation. The same coach is coaching. I understand that even if we go 12 and 1 and win the Sugar Bowl the stigma of this game may never go away. It happened and we can not changne that fact. Let's not let this one really bad game that embarrassed us cause us to go off the deep end and drown ourselves like a bunch of "not smart people".

lhaselden writes:

in response to essoclub:

Our head coach needs to put up or shut up.

(1) Four straight losses to the Gamecocks, by an average of 17.5 points in each loss.
(2) The "new and improved" Tigers give up the most points in the history of the program at Death Valley.
(3) The Tigers give up the most points - EVER - in a bowl game (Orange Bowl vs. WVU).

Recruit a solid O-line, make a commitment to run the ball, and figure out a way to beat the Gamecocks. I suggest watching film from any of Danny Ford's Clemson teams.

Dabo is right that this team is not like the "old Clemson Tigers" as Ford's teams won big games and championships. They did it with smash mouth defensive play, a relentless punishing running game and impeccable special teams.

Danny Ford's teams played great defense but with our O we cannot turn the ball over 4 times when the other team does not. Not a team as good as FSU. Danny Ford's teams playing good teams might have 8 possessions. FSU probably had 15. Points on the board is no the only stat to look at when comparing teams.

essoclub writes:

in response to rsb8931#286014:

While I agree with a lot of what I am reading, I am hesitant to go along with some of it. You have to remember in the decade of the eighties offenses ran some variation of the veer or wishbone or triple option, whatever you want to call it. Offensive linemen were recruited that were physically able to play in that type of an offense. Todays offenses are different and it takes a different kind of offensive lineman to be successful. Yes, if we run the spread offense, we should have linemen that are suited for that offense. I thought we were doing okay in that regards. You know, sometime there is a team that is just better than you and they kick your butt. I don't like it and I can't believe how they made it look so easy. I would have bet a lot of money nothing like what happened Saturday night would have happened. It did happen and instead of criticizing Dabo, which he probably deserves, we should all be asking ourselves the question is how can Florida State be tht much better when just last year we had 14 point lead on them with 10:22 left in the 3rd quarter. We lead SC at the half and played with our 3rd string defensive secondary. We have done well at times and we just had a bad game Saturday night. Had we played well and won, everybody would be talking about how great we are and what a great coach Dabo is. The same players are there today that were there on September 1 after we beat the number 5 team in the nation. The same coach is coaching. I understand that even if we go 12 and 1 and win the Sugar Bowl the stigma of this game may never go away. It happened and we can not changne that fact. Let's not let this one really bad game that embarrassed us cause us to go off the deep end and drown ourselves like a bunch of "not smart people".

@rsb8931#286014: We are in agreement that FSU was the better team. However, there is a consistent pattern here that cannot be overlooked. With the exception of wins against LSU and UGA, the Tigers have been woefully underprepared for USC (four straight years) and FSU (no adjustments at the half in last year's game and this year's beat down). It is also worth noting that the WVU game is still relevant, because when the wheels come off for the Tigers, they really come off, as do the axles and the chasis. The fact of the matter is that good teams do not lose 51-7 (last touchdown does not even count in my book, even though the final score was 51-14) @ home. It just does not happen.

To be very clear, I have never been a Dabo fan. As a person, he seems great, but as a great football mind, he is not on the level of Saban, HBC, Meyer, Chip K., etc. All of the talking should be handled by the play of the team on the field. His public rant against Spurrier last year followed by the 4th beatdown in a row to the Gamecocks was unacceptable.

I have also never been a fan of Morris. His offense plays patty cake when they should be playing smashmouth football. We pad our stats against the likes of Syracuse, Wake, S.C. State, etc., yet our offense typically implodes against top competition.

The book is still out on Venables, but clearly Stoops would have kept him if he was such a great DC at Oklahoma.

No more excuses.

essoclub writes:

in response to lhaselden:

Danny Ford's teams played great defense but with our O we cannot turn the ball over 4 times when the other team does not. Not a team as good as FSU. Danny Ford's teams playing good teams might have 8 possessions. FSU probably had 15. Points on the board is no the only stat to look at when comparing teams.

@lhaselden - You are correct in that Danny Ford's teams played great defense. They also played smash mouth football on offense and they controlled the clock by controlling the ball. FSU would not have had 15 possessions against any one of Danny Ford's Clemson teams. I also agree that we cannot turn the ball over four times against FSU. This team does not play with discipline. They do not leave it all out on the field.

We are headed for a 5th straight loss against the Gamecocks and potentially a slip-up against Georgia Tech unless Dabo and his staff can right the ship. When you cannot beat the only two teams that you need to beat on the schedule (USC & FSU), year in and year out, nothing else matters.

f8thwlk writes:

The way to stop our offense is very simple and ALL the teams we play know it...PRESSURE boyd. If Tajh has time He will pick you apart. Our problem is when we play teams with relentless defenders up front, we lose. We have NO RUNNING GAME. Your greatest running threat cannot be your quaterback... The defense is mediocre due to an overall lack of team speed on defense. Florida State has 5-star athletes to Clemson's 3 and 4 star athletes. A lot of the difference equates to team speed. Clemson is not coached bad, we just don't have the personnel to complete with the likes of a Florida State or an Alabama. We usually win against teams that we recruit on par with. But to be the best you have to recruit the best. College football is all about recruiting gentlemen. Clemson is sloooooowlyyyyy changing that. But the only way to recruit top talent is to win consistently. Why do you think most of the 5-star players end up at FSU or Bama, because these kids know that these teams compete for championships on a consistent basis. Don't give up on the Tigers yet. We've come a long way but unfortunately we still have a long way to go. (Maybe we can call Tommy Bowden back. I will take Dabo over him anyday.) Hey, we lost to FSU at Home. I believe Clemson wins out from here. I think a lot of people wanted to promote the Tigers to the head of the class too soon. Lets enjoy the rest of the year and stay behind our team. We will win a lot more games and I think the SC game should be interesting this year. Note: Personally I think FSU is the best team in the FBS this year. Bama will find that out. No shame in losing to them. They came out of nowhere and Winston is the real deal. Go Tigers.

iptaytiger writes:

One loss, and everybody wants to fire the coach. That's a great attitude! 4 turnovers played a big part on this loss, as were the dropped balls that kept hitting the ground.

BigBud52 writes:

Wow, just last week everybody was so happy and positive. now after 1 loss it is time to scrap the offense get better on defense and fire the coach. What about the players that fumbled and the interceptions, should we kick them off the team and recruit better? I honestly believe one of the worst things that happened to Clemson was winning the 1981 National Championship. Since then the fan base believes we should dominate everbody we play. GET REAL. This is the teams 3rd loss in the last 2 years. Did you really think Clemson was the 3rd best team in the country. Watch some of these other teams play. We are now rated where we should have been all year. This team should win out, and I am including USC. They lost to FSU because of turnovers and a defensive secondary that left recievers open all night. You cannot give recievers and 5 yard cushion. We have done this for years. Bottom line, its just one loss, relax

Clemorange writes:

It's just rediculous. You don't beat LSU and UGA and then lose like this. I'm tired of the mentality of never pulling the quarterback. It's obvious that when Boyd gets off he takes too long to get right against top talent. Cole should of been in by half time. I don't blame the defense much. If our offense was any good then we wouldn't of had four turnover and had such a lopsided score. Dabo said before the game that nobody was going to come in and eat this team alive and that's pretty much exactly what happened.

CUNo1Fan writes:

in response to BigBud52:

Wow, just last week everybody was so happy and positive. now after 1 loss it is time to scrap the offense get better on defense and fire the coach. What about the players that fumbled and the interceptions, should we kick them off the team and recruit better? I honestly believe one of the worst things that happened to Clemson was winning the 1981 National Championship. Since then the fan base believes we should dominate everbody we play. GET REAL. This is the teams 3rd loss in the last 2 years. Did you really think Clemson was the 3rd best team in the country. Watch some of these other teams play. We are now rated where we should have been all year. This team should win out, and I am including USC. They lost to FSU because of turnovers and a defensive secondary that left recievers open all night. You cannot give recievers and 5 yard cushion. We have done this for years. Bottom line, its just one loss, relax

The problem is it isn't just one loss. It was an embarrassing loss on national TV that significantly set this program back in terms of recruiting and national exposure. It also isn't just that we lost, it is the way the team was totally dominated and the way the team was woefully unprepared for the game. Being that unprepared is totally on the coaches. Not everyone has had on the orange colored glasses and overlooked the issues that plague this team and coaching staff year after year.

Yes FSU is the better team with better talent, but that much better?? 54-14 better with the last TD being a garbage TD. Clemson is better than that and has better players than that. From the posts I have read, I don't think anyone believes Clemson should dominate every game or win every game. I do however believe, (as I think most fans believe) that no team should dominate the Tigers like they were Saturday night. (Or in the orange bowl, or by SCar over the last 4 years).

It wasn't just the turnovers that caused Clemson to be dominated by FSU. Turnovers happen to the best of teams at times and I could have lived with that. What I can't accept is the way Clemson lost and being woefully unprepared to play the game.

Why do you think the receivers were open all night? FSU dominated the LOS on both sides and the results were obvious. It all goes to the battle for the LOS in the trenches. There was no real pressure on Winston by our front line nor any containment of the run game. I don't care how good a secondary you have, if a good QB is given enough time they will be picked apart. You have to be able to run to pass and pass to run - we lost the LOS and they did both.

Same for our O, we lost the battle in the trench. FSU's front line just whipped the O line, pressured Boyd all night and shut down the run game. That allowed them to drop extra defenders and keep Clemson's receivers tied up until the pressure got to Boyd. Result, no pass game or run game.

No one is saying scrap the O and D or fire the coaches. We have come a long way from the dumpster fire Clemson was under West. What is being said is these same issues keep biting Clemson in the butt in big games year after year. That is on the coaches and Dabo in particular as the HC.

Morris says all the time that his spread is a power spread based on the run game. The O Line was supposed to be a strength for Clemson this year with 4 returning starters - it is not. Venerable is only in his second year and has made IMO pretty decent strides with the D. That said, the same principal applies, we need to concentrate on big nasty linemen that can win or hold their own in the trench. It is time to start concentrating on recruiting that way.

Con't next post.

CUNo1Fan writes:

You can make up for a lot of other issues if you can win the battle in the trenches. Win the LOS on O and then we can run power spread and establish an effective run game, protect the QB in the pocket giving him time to pass, prevent the D from dropping the LBs into coverage, etc. Win the LOS on D and you can do the exact opposite, contain the run game, pressure the QB with the front line, drop the LBs to provide extra coverage in the pass, overload the O line with blitzes and stunts, and not give the receivers time to beat their coverage.

Pretty much describes exactly what happened to the Tigers Saturday night.

I also disagree with your comment on winning the NC in 1981. No one thought Clemson should dominate every game after that but everyone did expect to be competitive in every game and did not expect anyone to blow us out. Perhaps you are forgetting that for a 15 year period from 77 to 91 Clemson, in terms of win %, was a top 6 team in the country and for the 10 years from 81 to 90 a top 3 team in the country (Look it up). Clemson also went 7-2 in bowl games during that 15 year period (I would also put forth that there would have been more bowl games with a better winning record if not for the three year bowl ban thanks to Pell during that 15 years) winning against the top teams in the country on a national stage. (It also meant more to go to a bowl game then as there were a lot less of them. You sure didn't have teams with a 6-6 or a 6-7 record going to bowls then).

So yes, the fans certainly believed we could win every game, expected to win most games, and expected the team to be prepared and ready to play every game. They certainly didn't expect to be blown out in any game, embarrassed on a national stage, or woefully unprepared for any game.

As stated previously, I can accept losing a game to a better team as long as the team gives it their all, is prepared to play, and competes. I can handle losing a game because of a bad break be it a fumble, a bad call, an interception or whatever. IMO most fans can handle this. What I cannot accept is the Tigers being whipped like a rented mule because they were woefully unprepared for the game and did not compete.

It is time for Dabo to fix this, FSU was not 54-14 better than the Tigers.

Go Tigers!

essoclub writes:

@Cu_No1Fan: Very well said. You methodically point out in your posts above the issues with the program. You also point out that these issues are not new, which is what makes the situation very frustrating for fans who have watched the Gamecocks win with the same blueprint that the Tigers should be utilizing - nasty, big, strong and fast players in the trenches coupled with power running and a shutdown D.

Having never been on the Dabo bandwagon, it is impossible to fall off of it. I am not a fan. The consistent production is not there yet. However, if and when he starts consistently beating Carolina and FSU, I will quickly change my tune. He seems like a great guy. The players like and respect him. These things are important, but this is a production business and programs are defined by wins and losses.

A potential 5th straight loss to the Gamecocks will be tough for the program and the fans to handle. I certainly hope that I am wrong. Every team is beatable, but we will not beat Carolina playing the way that we did against FSU. Their offense looks better and more explosive this year than in years past. There is no way to fix the glaring problems in the trenches before we play the Gamecocks and we will not be favored in that game.

It will be a huge game. We will have to rise to the occasion. More importantly, the Tigers' coaching staff must have a different gameplan, as the ones which they have devised for the last four match-ups with the Gamecocks have been woefully unproductive.

TRUETIGER1 writes:

in response to iptaytiger:

One loss, and everybody wants to fire the coach. That's a great attitude! 4 turnovers played a big part on this loss, as were the dropped balls that kept hitting the ground.

I wanted to fire him after the 2nd straight loss to usc.

Bigboots writes:

I am a Dabo fan. I like him as a recruiter and I like his positive attitude and enthusiasm, among other qualities.
But I would have fired him after the usc game last year.

iptaytiger writes:

in response to Bigboots:

I am a Dabo fan. I like him as a recruiter and I like his positive attitude and enthusiasm, among other qualities.
But I would have fired him after the usc game last year.

I'm a Dabo fan too, If he would have been fired after the USC loss, they (CU) would have been laughed at even more because they (CU) would have lost to LSU, and UGA.

Bigboots writes:

Probably so.
I'm not leading the push to fire Dabo.
But at what point does losing to usc become so unacceptable that a change is required? For me, it was last year.
I hope he stays and reels off 10 in a row or more vs. usc.
But I don't know how he can stay on the job if he loses again this year.

YabbaDaboDooDoo writes:

in response to essoclub:

Our head coach needs to put up or shut up.

(1) Four straight losses to the Gamecocks, by an average of 17.5 points in each loss.
(2) The "new and improved" Tigers give up the most points in the history of the program at Death Valley.
(3) The Tigers give up the most points - EVER - in a bowl game (Orange Bowl vs. WVU).

Recruit a solid O-line, make a commitment to run the ball, and figure out a way to beat the Gamecocks. I suggest watching film from any of Danny Ford's Clemson teams.

Dabo is right that this team is not like the "old Clemson Tigers" as Ford's teams won big games and championships. They did it with smash mouth defensive play, a relentless punishing running game and impeccable special teams.

So you're the one person in Clemson with an actual brain capable of independent thought. I congratulate you.

You're absolutely right. The problem though with "figure out a way to beat the Gamecocks" is that Dabo can only win games in which he has superior talent. I give him credit on being an outstanding recruiter. But he can't scheme his way out of a wet paper bag. And that's why he'll never take you where you want to go. You need an innovative head coach when it comes to X's and O's. What you have as a head coach is a rah-rah positions coach who can recruit which means you'll get out-coached in every big game... which is exactly what keeps happening.

Chad Morris is the most qualified guy to be the head coach at Clemson. He'll be at the top of your list when you finally get rid of Dabo. You should just hope he's not at a better job by then.

YabbaDaboDooDoo writes:

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports....

The real problem is that your head coach is an idiot. How he can watch the game film and say that FSU and Clemson would split 5-5 if they played 10 times... it's not rooted at all in reality. You should be wondering if your head coach has the mental capacity to do this job. His comments are embarrassing and they are being picked up by the national sports media.

kellytown writes:

in response to Clemorange:

It's just rediculous. You don't beat LSU and UGA and then lose like this. I'm tired of the mentality of never pulling the quarterback. It's obvious that when Boyd gets off he takes too long to get right against top talent. Cole should of been in by half time. I don't blame the defense much. If our offense was any good then we wouldn't of had four turnover and had such a lopsided score. Dabo said before the game that nobody was going to come in and eat this team alive and that's pretty much exactly what happened.

Hey Clemorange you are right on. Boyd seems to get happy feet and rattled when Boyd is on he's on but when hes bad he's very bad!!! Let Cole play after all how much worse could it get.

BigBud52 writes:

In response to CU_No1 Fan, I do understand how you feel. I feel much the same way. Nobody likes to loose and especially when you get crushed. It pains me even more to loose to USC four times in a row. My point was and still is don't parise Dabo and his staff and all the players for beating UGA if you are just going to tear them down a few weeks later when they loose. I understand the loyalty Clemson fans have, I have it too. I am an Alum and I was a member of the 81 team. However, I also know football and I knew FSU would beat Clemson, I didn't think "blow out" though. I was so confident of this I gave my tickets to my son and told him how I felt. Anytime you are a home team in a game that big and Vegas has you as an underdog, and every TV and radio commentator, except one are picking the visiting team, that should tell you something. I truly believe Clemson would have a better chance beating Alabama than FSU. I was just a little dismayed at some of the posts after the loss, an how many armchair coaches there are who know exactly what the problems are. I guess after winning 7 games in a row with 2 of them being LSU and a healthy UGA, maybe Dabo and his entire staff forgot what they were doing.

YabbaDaboDooDoo writes:

in response to BigBud52:

In response to CU_No1 Fan, I do understand how you feel. I feel much the same way. Nobody likes to loose and especially when you get crushed. It pains me even more to loose to USC four times in a row. My point was and still is don't parise Dabo and his staff and all the players for beating UGA if you are just going to tear them down a few weeks later when they loose. I understand the loyalty Clemson fans have, I have it too. I am an Alum and I was a member of the 81 team. However, I also know football and I knew FSU would beat Clemson, I didn't think "blow out" though. I was so confident of this I gave my tickets to my son and told him how I felt. Anytime you are a home team in a game that big and Vegas has you as an underdog, and every TV and radio commentator, except one are picking the visiting team, that should tell you something. I truly believe Clemson would have a better chance beating Alabama than FSU. I was just a little dismayed at some of the posts after the loss, an how many armchair coaches there are who know exactly what the problems are. I guess after winning 7 games in a row with 2 of them being LSU and a healthy UGA, maybe Dabo and his entire staff forgot what they were doing.

I'm with you right up until you said that about Alabama. They have the best players in college football and the best coach in college football. And they're beating the snot out of people in the SEC. Not only does Clemson not have a chance of beating them, I'm not sure anyone else has much of a chance either.

The armchair QB stuff comes from an inability to admit that you didn't have the better team. FSU is clearly the better team. All of this "maybe we should've run the ball more" or "maybe we should've done this" stuff is just a way to keep from admitting the obvious. It's really not that difficult. They got beat by a better team... period.

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