Tigers play giveaway, Gamecocks win again

South Carolina cashes in on six Clemson turnovers for unprecedented fifth straight series win

South Carolina offensive lineman Cody Gibson (78) celebrates after the Gamecocks recovered a fumble on a Clemson punt return in the first quarter at Williams-Brice Stadium on Saturday.

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South Carolina offensive lineman Cody Gibson (78) celebrates after the Gamecocks recovered a fumble on a Clemson punt return in the first quarter at Williams-Brice Stadium on Saturday.

COLUMBIA — Steve Spurrier was late to his postgame press conference.

The No. 10 South Carolina coach had to wash the Gatorade out of his hair.

He wasn’t pleased about it. Spurrier said Gatorade baths are for winning bowl games.

However, South Carolina reserved a postgame shower for the Head Ball Coach in a regular-season game for a historic moment.

No. 6 Clemson turned the ball over six times as USC capitalized to score 18 points off those miscues to claim a 31-17 victory, giving the Gamecocks five consecutive wins in the series for the first time in school history.

“Wonderful win for our guys,” Spurrier said. “Amazingly, when we play these guys from Clemson, the script follows the same thing. We’re happy. We were very fortunate. They’re a good team that continues not playing very well when they play us for some reason.”

USC, however, wasn’t celebrating an SEC East title; Missouri beat Texas A&M 28-21 Saturday to claim the division.

Still, it was a big day against the Tigers. Ten years ago, Clemson (10-2) walked off the field and Williams-Brice Stadium 46 points better than in-state rival South Carolina (10-2).

Saturday, it walked off the field counting turnovers. Quarterback Tajh Boyd’s illustrious Clemson career will end without a win over the Gamecocks after he threw two interceptions and was sacked five times; Boyd threw for 225 yards on 19-of-27 passing.

However, it was his counterpart enjoying a rivalry victory.

“Connor Shaw, best quarterback in school history,” Spurrier said. “He’s probably the biggest difference maker for us.”

Shaw beat the Tigers primarily with his legs, rushing for 94 yards and one touchdown, but he also threw for 152 yards and another score while not turning the ball over Saturday to lead a senior class that never lost to Clemson.

“This is special,” Shaw said. “The seniors not losing to Clemson is huge. This is why I came to USC.”

The first three quarters were everything one would expect in a rivalry game. USC went up 17-7 early and led by seven at halftime before the Tigers tied the game at 17-all in the third quarter when Rod McDowell scored a 4-yard TD.

The Gamecocks answered on the next drive when Mike Davis ran in a 2-yard TD to put USC up for good with 11:47 remaining. Clemson would turn the ball over four times in the quarter.

“That’s football. You’ve got to overcome it,” Clemson coach Dabo Swinney said. “We played really hard and fought hard the whole game. Obviously the turnovers were huge. They had a couple of more big plays than we did.”

South Carolina’s go-ahead score came on a wild possession. USC faced a fourth-and-1 in its won territory, and after Spurrier tried to draw Clemson offside, he called timeout to talk it over. The offense stayed on the field — and got the Tigers to jump, giving USC a first down.

Spurrier said after the game that the plan was to snap the ball.

Then, Pharoh Cooper attempted a pass to Shaq Roland, who was interfered with by Darius Robinson and appeared to make the catch anyway. But the officials ruled the pass incomplete, upheld a review and invoked the 15-yard penalty and first down.

USC scored anyway as Shaw picked up 10 yards on a QB draw to convert a third down before Davis punched it in from four yards to go up 24-17 and to complete an 11-play, 75-yard drive that lasted 6:14.

“Come right out and get a stop, tie the game at 17-17, we’ve got all the momentum,” Swinney said. “That killed us.”

Clemson went on the offensive on the ensuing possession and converted two consecutive third downs to get to the USC 34 with 9:30 left.

On a second-and-9 run, USC defensive end Chaz Sutton stripped Boyd and recovered a fumble for a crucial turnover that ended Clemson’s drive at the Gamecock 30.

The Tigers got a stop and forced a punt, but Humphries fumbled on the return, and USC jumped on it at the Clemson 39.

USC took advantage again as Cooper threw a short pass to Brandon Wilds, who raced into the end zone for a 26-yard touchdown and a 31-17 lead with 3:44 remaining.

The Gamecocks had a chance to put up points to open the third quarter after Cooper returned the kickoff 55 yards, but they turned the ball over on downs when Shaw was stopped for no gain. However, Clemson couldn’t do anything with it and gave it right back on a punt.

The Tigers would tie the game at 17-all with 3:01 left in the third when Boyd hit Martavis Bryant for an 18-yard pass to set up a 4-yard TD run by McDowell.

Clemson had to feel good being down just 17-10 at halftime. The Gamecocks outgained Clemson 199-194 yards in the first half but completed 8 of 11 third downs and held the ball for 19:42 in the first 30 minutes.

The Tigers saw a promising first drive of the game end on a trick play that went wrong. Sammy Watkins tried to throw a wide receiver pass to an open Adam Humphries, but USC safety Brison Williams got there in time to pick off the pass in the end zone.

The Gamecocks then used a methodical, 17-play drive to go 80 yards and cap their first possession with a 3-yard TD run by Shaw to put USC up 7-0. The drive ate more than eight minutes off the clock.

The Tigers bounced back quickly when Watkins caught a 57-yard pass from Boyd, who then scored on an 8-yard TD run to tie the game with 2:45 left in the first quarter. Clemson needed just four plays to go 75 yards, taking 1:38 off the clock.

USC went three-and-out on its next possession, but a Tyler Hull punt bounced off returner Humphries’ pads for a fumble. The Gamecocks’ Skai Moore jumped on the loose ball, and they took advantage five plays later when Shaw threw to Shaq Roland in the corner of the end zone for a 9-yard touchdown that put USC up 14-7 on the first play of the second quarter.

After forcing a Tiger three-and-out, the Gamecocks used a 29-yard pass play from Shaw to Ellington to reach the Clemson 9. But USC couldn’t come away with six and instead settled for a 21-yard field goal by Elliott Fry to go up 17-7 with 8:25 left in the half.

The Gamecock defense then got to Boyd twice for sacks on the next drive. After South Carolina got it back and couldn’t do anything with it, Clemson took over with 3:07 left in the second quarter. Boyd was sacked again, but he completed a screen pass to McDowell, who went for 28 yards to convert a third down. After a 19-yard run by McDowell down to the USC 10, Boyd was called for intentional grounding, which forced a third-and-26. He got eight yards back on a run before Chandler Catanzaro nailed a 38-yard field goal to get the Tigers within seven heading into the locker room.

McDowell was one of the lone bright spots for the Tigers. He finished with 111 yards on 14 carries with the one TD.

“He was a man on a mission,” Clemson offensive coordinator Chad Morris said. “He ran extremely well and caught the ball out of the back field well. He was very focused, very determined.”

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clmtgr92 writes:

It is scary how much this year mirrors last year. We beat a ranked SEC team to start, who then goes on to fall apart and finish unranked. We then lose to the only two ranked teams we play from then on by double digits, and they both were FSU and USCe. Let's hope we win the bowl game as well.

clemvol writes:

Its time for a coaching staff change. Don't disagree. 5 years and no results and I dare anyone tell me that is acceptable. Too much money being spent on coaches with no results. I don't think so. Smoke and mirrors is over. Time to start looking.

TigerFan95 writes:

Its pretty obvious that Dabo just cant get it done against SC folks. At some point he has to be given an ultimatum to win this game doesnt he? When is that? 6 losses? 7? 8? Or do we just sit back and be happy with 9 & 10 wins over BC, Wake and Duke?

clemvol writes:

in response to clmtgr92:

It is scary how much this year mirrors last year. We beat a ranked SEC team to start, who then goes on to fall apart and finish unranked. We then lose to the only two ranked teams we play from then on by double digits, and they both were FSU and USCe. Let's hope we win the bowl game as well.

At this point and time let's hope we don't get a BCS bowl. Another embarrassment will make us look like the wannabes we have become. On second thought maybe another blowout is needed to change course. I no longer believe the hype nor can I no longer give any financial support until we have a new staff.

TrevorT writes:

6 turnovers, 8 penalties. 5 straight loses. What else can you say? Sickening. Carolina is obviously in Clemson's head at this point. Coaching is definitely to blame for that. One of the head coaches most important jobs is to get his players past those types of mental roadblocks. So fine, if Morris wants the job, give it to him. If Saban is looking for a change of scenery, why not? But please, let's not be willing to hand over the program to the first chump that comes along just because we all have to endure another year of this garbage. Let's move on and get a big bowl win. GO TIGERS FOREVER!!!

clmtgr92 writes:

in response to clemvol:

Its time for a coaching staff change. Don't disagree. 5 years and no results and I dare anyone tell me that is acceptable. Too much money being spent on coaches with no results. I don't think so. Smoke and mirrors is over. Time to start looking.

And replace him with who? The only other period in the school's history with more wins is the 87-92 seasons. Dabo is going in the right direction and so is the program. Geez, Alabama has lost a game every year. Boyd was a good QB, he just choked against FSU and USC every year. It is not Dabo's fault Humphries fumbled two of the three punts he fielded. He has only been a head coach for 6 years and has improved every year (with this year being a tie with last year). We haven't lost to an unranked team in the last two seasons. We just need better athletes in all positions especially the offensive line. That has been the one consistent weakness the past few years.

TigerFan95 writes:

in response to clmtgr92:

And replace him with who? The only other period in the school's history with more wins is the 87-92 seasons. Dabo is going in the right direction and so is the program. Geez, Alabama has lost a game every year. Boyd was a good QB, he just choked against FSU and USC every year. It is not Dabo's fault Humphries fumbled two of the three punts he fielded. He has only been a head coach for 6 years and has improved every year (with this year being a tie with last year). We haven't lost to an unranked team in the last two seasons. We just need better athletes in all positions especially the offensive line. That has been the one consistent weakness the past few years.

Kirby Smart from Bama would be my first choice. As for getting a better O-line. It aint happening..Only two Oline signees last year and only two this year. You simply cant build consistency at the oline with those numbers. Look at SCs recruiting the last 5-6 years. They sign 4 & 5 every year and many of them are 4 stars. The results speak for themselves.

clemvol writes:

in response to clmtgr92:

And replace him with who? The only other period in the school's history with more wins is the 87-92 seasons. Dabo is going in the right direction and so is the program. Geez, Alabama has lost a game every year. Boyd was a good QB, he just choked against FSU and USC every year. It is not Dabo's fault Humphries fumbled two of the three punts he fielded. He has only been a head coach for 6 years and has improved every year (with this year being a tie with last year). We haven't lost to an unranked team in the last two seasons. We just need better athletes in all positions especially the offensive line. That has been the one consistent weakness the past few years.

Well at this point we could replace him with...oh probably Tommy Bowden. At least he knew how beat the coots. He may have lost other teams he shouldn't have but what really matters here. (just kidding on the Bowden rehire). I'm no longer buy into the hype. I believe swinney to be just a real good "carney" man. When you lose 5 years in a row to your rival (which has never been done before) who talks the blame? I don't know of a single corporation that would lose to their competition for 5 years and not make a change. College football is really a business, just look at the coaches salary. Swinney also just cannot get it done to recruit the "big nastys". I believe it's time to get a seasoned, mature, wise coach and let go of the "cheerleader" and stay away from high school coordinators.

33dtb writes:

from what I saw and what I know and understand, a big key would be to go down there with a better attitude and an O-Line.........

I am sooo embarrassed......I had felt like we should win this year, but after watching the 1st quarter, I KNEW we would lose,,,,, but certainly not so badly.....

DABO, DOES IT SEEM LIKE "JUST ANOTHER GAME" NOW ???????????????????

waran writes:

If we want change, the fans need to be consistent and not support Dabo when he beats Wake and scream for a night when we lose to USC. Several of you have been supporting Dabo and his scheme of "flashy" football without an O-line. we cant beat good teams when we do that. We need to accept that fans who criticize some of the decisions made by Dabo are not wrong but would like Clemson to reach another level which Dabo cant. We might win the Bowl game but mark my words, we will lose again to USC next year if Dabo is here, 6 years in a row. Clemson needs to change the style of football we have been playing recently and go back to what we did in the 1980s. Get an O-line.

33dtb writes:

in response to clemvol:

Well at this point we could replace him with...oh probably Tommy Bowden. At least he knew how beat the coots. He may have lost other teams he shouldn't have but what really matters here. (just kidding on the Bowden rehire). I'm no longer buy into the hype. I believe swinney to be just a real good "carney" man. When you lose 5 years in a row to your rival (which has never been done before) who talks the blame? I don't know of a single corporation that would lose to their competition for 5 years and not make a change. College football is really a business, just look at the coaches salary. Swinney also just cannot get it done to recruit the "big nastys". I believe it's time to get a seasoned, mature, wise coach and let go of the "cheerleader" and stay away from high school coordinators.

We never should have let Coach Rich "Rod" out of here. Mrs "Rod" liked it here and ought to be tired of the desert by now............

'Course we never should have let Max Lenin (Tobacco Road infiltrator that he was) get rid of Coach Danny Ford.
....and the misspelling of Max's name was deliberate...

CUNo1Fan writes:

Agree with clmtgr92

Clemvol you must have forgotten that even though Bowden beat the coots, the tigers never won 10 games under him, never won an ACC championship, that the term Clemsoning was born under him, etc. The only thing Bowden did was beat SCar. Do yo honestly think at any other point in the history of the rivalry, the last three teams Dabo has put on the field would have lost to the coots? Dabo has just had the unfortunate luck to be the Clemson coach who is facing the coots when they are on the best run in the history of their program.

The Tigers have come a long way in the right direction from what they were under West and Bowden but still have a ways to go to be where we as fans want them to be. We (All Clemson Fans) had better get used to the idea that the coots aren't the whipping post they used to be - the OBC has changed that and we were playing catch up. The past four years, they have simply been the better team. Last night they were not and I do blame the coaching staff for the level of execution by the team but that doesn't mean I'm ready to dump the coaching staff. I remember the last time the Tigers got rid of a winning coach, we got another coach who wasn't quite as good but still won and then we got rid of him and became a dumpster fire that we are still recovering from. Be careful what you wish for.

That said, Dabo and staff still need to spend more time recruiting the big nasties. They held their our own in the trenches and i would say even came out slightly ahead but if the Tigers are going to take the next step, they have to win that battle.

33dtb writes:

beginning to think that Dabo has subscribed to the "late/great tb's" theory that he's too smart to need an O-Line. how'd that work out with "late/great" ??????????

Even a little Napoleon control freak like Saban can win with a two-deep O-Line and good RBs , whether he has a QB or not.... Lost tonite because his O-Line isn't up to usual standards.

clemvol writes:

in response to CUNo1Fan:

Agree with clmtgr92

Clemvol you must have forgotten that even though Bowden beat the coots, the tigers never won 10 games under him, never won an ACC championship, that the term Clemsoning was born under him, etc. The only thing Bowden did was beat SCar. Do yo honestly think at any other point in the history of the rivalry, the last three teams Dabo has put on the field would have lost to the coots? Dabo has just had the unfortunate luck to be the Clemson coach who is facing the coots when they are on the best run in the history of their program.

The Tigers have come a long way in the right direction from what they were under West and Bowden but still have a ways to go to be where we as fans want them to be. We (All Clemson Fans) had better get used to the idea that the coots aren't the whipping post they used to be - the OBC has changed that and we were playing catch up. The past four years, they have simply been the better team. Last night they were not and I do blame the coaching staff for the level of execution by the team but that doesn't mean I'm ready to dump the coaching staff. I remember the last time the Tigers got rid of a winning coach, we got another coach who wasn't quite as good but still won and then we got rid of him and became a dumpster fire that we are still recovering from. Be careful what you wish for.

That said, Dabo and staff still need to spend more time recruiting the big nasties. They held their our own in the trenches and i would say even came out slightly ahead but if the Tigers are going to take the next step, they have to win that battle.

A rehire of Tommy Bowden was a kidding comment but after 45 years of watching college football I can say I have seen Clemson win conference championships, I have seen Clemson win a National Championship but after all of this it all boils down to beating your rival. That is really all that is important. Forget 10 or 11 win seasons. Forget an undefeated season. Clemson is in a small state and you want money coming into your program on a consistent basis. Now in order to do this all you need is a decent season, BEAT YOUR RIVAL ,and win your bowl game. (doesn't have to be a bcs bowl). I will no longer buy into the con that has been put in front us. This coaching staff cannot get this done. They cannot recruit and get the big bodies that are needed and after the last 5 years this is evident. As far as I am concerned the dog and pony show is over. Mark my words: If there is not a complete change the money will dry up.

clmtgr92 writes:

Everyone on here wants to turn Clemson into an SEC school that hires thugs and idiots. That doesn't graduate anyone and ruins the value of the school's degree. So what if the Chickens have won 5 in a row, we have had longer win streaks in the series. We have had four separate four game win streaks since 1980 and the past four years are the first time SC has won back to back games vs Clemson in 44 years. So they are due for some wins.
Clemson will never go back to the '80s style of recruiting and risk the school's reputation for football. No more probation or bowl game bans. Just ask a SC 2013 graduate if the wins over Clemson the past 5 years will make up for the lack of academic respect their school has vs Clemson's?
North Carolina's academic reputation has taken a beating the past three years because of the football/basketball scandals. This is not the pro's, there are consequences to winning at all costs.

FlopEye writes:

5 years ago, Dabo stated- " It's not a rivalry,
it's a domination". Truer words were never spoken.
Tiger nation bought into his sales pitch, loved his cute little quotes,
and never realized hewas selling them
swamp land in Florida.
Year after year, after butt-whippings, he mesmerized y'all with his USC is S. cal,.. etc. little dittys, taking
your mind off the fact that the
OBC owned him. Take note, with his
inability to recruit offensive
lineman, the Tigers are destined
to have their butts handed to
them for a long time to come. He
will beat the heck out of Wake,
Virginia, B.C., Pitt Citadel, etc.
But when it comes to Fla St and
S. Car, his butt will be toast.

clemvol writes:

in response to clmtgr92:

Everyone on here wants to turn Clemson into an SEC school that hires thugs and idiots. That doesn't graduate anyone and ruins the value of the school's degree. So what if the Chickens have won 5 in a row, we have had longer win streaks in the series. We have had four separate four game win streaks since 1980 and the past four years are the first time SC has won back to back games vs Clemson in 44 years. So they are due for some wins.
Clemson will never go back to the '80s style of recruiting and risk the school's reputation for football. No more probation or bowl game bans. Just ask a SC 2013 graduate if the wins over Clemson the past 5 years will make up for the lack of academic respect their school has vs Clemson's?
North Carolina's academic reputation has taken a beating the past three years because of the football/basketball scandals. This is not the pro's, there are consequences to winning at all costs.

I agree this not to hurt a university for recruits. But, we are paying coaches an NFL salary with no results with your rival. This is UNACCEPTABLE. Nobody said anything about turning Clemson into an SEC team although it really is bad being in the ACC with really bad teams. The majority of Clemsons support comes from this state and graduates of Clemson so I believe the well will start to run dry when high paying coaches cannot recruit and cannot beat their rival. The wool will not be pulled over eyes any more.

Kimarie56 writes:

It always amazes me how quick we are to wanting to rid ourselves of the coaching staff when things don't go the way we, the fans, want it to. I am assuming we all watched the same game tonight. Law of averages were against us. Yes, maybe we have a mental block when it comes to FSU or USC, however will that change with a coaching staff turnover?? Which coach is to blame for Sammy's interception? Or Humphries not one but two punt return turnovers? Or Tajh's stripped ball & 2 interceptions? Were the plays at the time bad calls? We all know that if we had succeeded in these attempts, win the game, we would be roaring from the heavens... But which coach is exactly to blame for these occurrences? Can we build a consistent winning program if we keep changing our underwear like the town street walker? (Sorry if that offends!) this coaching staff has brought us further along consistently then we have been in recent years & you want to change that? I will concede we need better recruitment for our O-line because that is the weakest area that has hurt Tajh the most. Our defense has grown double in strength since last year & most definitely heading in the right direction. We did a poor job retaining Shaw tonight.. Our prep was extremely poor in that area I will concede... However if you watched the same game I did, Shaw was a one-man show...there were no stellar performers in tonight's game by the Coots except Shaw! That's where our prep broke down! A new page is about to be written.. The playing field about to become level. Seniors are leaving with some underclass men in tow & you now want to change our forward progress?? All I can say is shame on you, fair weather fans! I am proud of my team, the players & staff! My blood runs orange & my love is strong! We will over come these 2 hiccups that have plagued us & continue moving forward!!! Go Tigers!

FlopEye writes:

to Clmtgr92,
Your feeble attempt to demean the SEC comes
across as the worst case of " sour grapes"
I've heard lately. One of my sons is a
Clemson graduate with a degree
in mechanical engineering. His tales about
the scholastic feats of many of the " jocks"
at Clemson are hilarious. It happens at ALL
schools. Why do you mention UNC's troubles
to back up your dis of the SEC ? UNC is
a member of the ACC . Also,you 2nd sentence
is grammaticality incorrect. I won't call
you an idiot, just a misguided, disappointed
Dabo follower. The next 364 days will be a
heck of a lot better for me than they will
for you, because I won't have to make excuses
for 5 straight losses to my rival, nor will
I have to listen to Dabo's feeble attempts
to distract the Tiger nation from his 5th
loss to the OBC. You just keep drinking his
orange kool-aid and I'll just keep grinning.

DerrikB writes:

Stinks to watch your team that actually played better lose because of turnovers. We got more yards than them, a similar or actually better 3rd down conversion percentage. But penalties and turnovers gave them the win. If you take away the turnovers we would have whooped them. What are you supposed to take from this? Is it just bad coaching in the sense of preparing your team mentally to deal with the pressure? Teaching them to not make those mistakes- I like Dabo a lot and like having him as our coach but sure would be nice to see our team perform to its level and not have all these games where they seem to break apart mentally.

KIMOSAMI writes:

AFAIC, Dabo's seat is now warm. Real warm.

He has the program heading in the right direction, but losing to Carolina every year just won't get it there.

Trick play? Why?

Handling punts....when you've muffed one already? Why? ( I understand that hindsight is real clear, but I was saying the same thing real time).

Clemson loses the last of the best skill players era that it's ever had. Now it's do with real good players who replace them. Just not quite as good. WITHOUT AN OLINE AGAIN. THIS ONE IS NOT GOOD. TRYING TO CONVINCE US THAT A COWPOD SMELLS LIKE A ROSE DON'T GET IT NO MORE. AND NOW OUR BEST OLINEMAN....63....IS GOING AWAY.

THIS MAY NOT BE DABO'S FAULT. MAYBE OLINEMEN DON'T LIKE IT HERE. BUT UNLESS MAVERICK, THE NEW GUY, IS THE SECOND COMING OF HARRY OLZEWSKI, THE LINE WILL BE WORSE NEXT YEAR.....WITH WORSE SKILL PLAYERS.

GEORGIA GAME MAY BE A LONG ONE.

tigerrob44 writes:

Come on Clemson folks. We have a good team. We have better players than SC does and everybody knows it. The better team doesn't always win. I have been one of Dabo's biggest critics but like someone said, he didn't fumble 2 punts. Dabo didn't thrown an interception on the first drive when we took it right down the field and would have scored. That was a mistake to call a trick play when we more running it right down the field by conventional methods. I guess you can blame that one on Coach Morris. But we have a good team. I think somebody else said we have let those stinking people get in our head. He is right. When have we ever played so poorly and had 6 turnovers? That's a lot of turnovers. What bothered me is we let them beat us in the same way. It's like none of the coaches were at the game last year. I have been saying for a month not to let Shaw beat us. Put a linebacker on him. Well, Shaw beat us. We need to all take a deep breath and get behind Dabo and let's build something really great. We have the nucleus and I am telling you we have great football players and have more on the way.

tigerrob44 writes:

in response to clmtgr92:

Everyone on here wants to turn Clemson into an SEC school that hires thugs and idiots. That doesn't graduate anyone and ruins the value of the school's degree. So what if the Chickens have won 5 in a row, we have had longer win streaks in the series. We have had four separate four game win streaks since 1980 and the past four years are the first time SC has won back to back games vs Clemson in 44 years. So they are due for some wins.
Clemson will never go back to the '80s style of recruiting and risk the school's reputation for football. No more probation or bowl game bans. Just ask a SC 2013 graduate if the wins over Clemson the past 5 years will make up for the lack of academic respect their school has vs Clemson's?
North Carolina's academic reputation has taken a beating the past three years because of the football/basketball scandals. This is not the pro's, there are consequences to winning at all costs.

Your comment is the most intelligent comment I have ever read on the Orange & Whte. Sadly, things don't always work out like we all hope they will. I have a story to tell you: 20 some years ago I was a student at Clemson. There was a man that worked for the athletic department that became a great friend of mine and still is to this day. This was back when we were talking about rehiring Danny Ford and it caused so much riff. My friend told me exactly the same thing you wrote in your comment. That's not the end of the story. The National IPTAY meeting is held down at Seawell's at the fairground in Columbia. I was planning on going and my friend ask me if I minded giving Walter Cox a ride down with me. I jumped at that being the Clemson guy I was. Well, I picked ole Dean Cox up and we headed out. For the next 2 hours I got a lesson on how you run a major university and what you will put with and what you shouldn't and won't put up with. I got the truth on why Danny had to go. No rumor or innuendo. I got the story from the thoroughbred's mouth himself. And you know what is sort of Twilight zone like is about this all? He said exactly what you just wrote in this comment section and it is exactly what my old friend from Clemson told me. We cannot and will not become an SEC like team under any circumstances and if that means never beating SC again than that's the way it will be. Get over it people. And Dabo ain't going anywhere anytime soon, either.

clemvol writes:

If folks are now conditioned to accept this staff and to be ok with not beating sc then we will see who has the last laugh every year...the coots. This game means everything for each and every season. If you folks don't believe this then you will never be loyal fan and don't try to fool everyone else like dabo has been doing. Think long and hard about this and then reality will prevail.

DahlonegaJoe writes:

First off, we need Dabo and should be happy to have him want to stay at Clemson. Second, yes I am very frustrated by another loss to SC.
BUT
This game was lost due to turnovers - and a bundle of them. We were not dominated, and in my opinion outplayed SC except for the turnovers. Our D played reasonably well except for containing Shaw. I don't understand how we let him get up the middle so many times all night. And Tajh made a few mistakes holding the ball too long. All in all its another loss, but not the same as the losses to SC last year and to FSU last and this year. We controlled the line of scrimmage on both sides most of the night and we really limited Davis and Clowney.
And finally, we have a set of young men that will go into society and contribute in a positive way.
I hate to lose and especially to SC….but it was clear to me when Spurrier was hired that we would go thru a tough period.
Chin up. Support the coaching staff and team. Go out on a winning note in a bowl game. Proud to be a tiger.
GO TIGERS.

Tgr4Lf writes:

I have to agree that the coaching staff can only do so much from the sidelines. They are not the ones on the field actually committing the turnovers. I do also agree that no trick was needed on the first drive and that we should have had spy on Shaw. One of our losses was to who will mow be 1 in the nation, and a unfortunate give away to a team one win away from playing for the SEC championship does not a bad season make.

clmtgr92 writes:

in response to FlopEye:

to Clmtgr92,
Your feeble attempt to demean the SEC comes
across as the worst case of " sour grapes"
I've heard lately. One of my sons is a
Clemson graduate with a degree
in mechanical engineering. His tales about
the scholastic feats of many of the " jocks"
at Clemson are hilarious. It happens at ALL
schools. Why do you mention UNC's troubles
to back up your dis of the SEC ? UNC is
a member of the ACC . Also,you 2nd sentence
is grammaticality incorrect. I won't call
you an idiot, just a misguided, disappointed
Dabo follower. The next 364 days will be a
heck of a lot better for me than they will
for you, because I won't have to make excuses
for 5 straight losses to my rival, nor will
I have to listen to Dabo's feeble attempts
to distract the Tiger nation from his 5th
loss to the OBC. You just keep drinking his
orange kool-aid and I'll just keep grinning.

You might want to proofread your own comments before you start pontificating like you are an English Professor.

wcgrad69 writes:

"Everyone on here wants to turn Clemson into an SEC school that hires thugs and idiots. That doesn't graduate anyone and ruins the value of the school's degree. So what if the Chickens have won 5 in a row, we have had longer win streaks in the series. We have had four separate four game win streaks since 1980 and the past four years are the first time SC has won back to back games vs Clemson in 44 years. So they are due for some wins.
Clemson will never go back to the '80s style of recruiting and risk the school's reputation for football. No more probation or bowl game bans. Just ask a SC 2013 graduate if the wins over Clemson the past 5 years will make up for the lack of academic respect their school has vs Clemson's?
North Carolina's academic reputation has taken a beating the past three years because of the football/basketball scandals. This is not the pro's, there are consequences to winning at all costs."

What is Spurrier giving up to win at all costs?

Years ago I was an assistant football coach in a very good high school in the state of SC. We were going through a very rough year and lost the game to our in-county rival. That was the 2nd year in a row. The head coach called the 6 assistant coaches together and as serious as can be told us,"I want you to go out in the community and tell everyone, parents/fans/faculty that winning games is not near as important as building character. Tell all that that is what we do best, help young men build character. Needless to say that was his last year but that is the oldest dodge in sports. There are many coaches, who have great character and will emphasize academics for way less than 7 figure salaries. I quit buying season tickets years ago when the money went out of control. I love Clemson but figured if the university had that kind of money to pay coaches, they could get along without my little bit.

Bigboots writes:

A few awards:

Biggest choke ---offense: Tajh Boyd for poor passing, AGAIN.

Biggest choke---defense: pick a linebacker.

Biggest choke---special teams: Adam Humphries.

Biggest choke by an assistant coach: Morris. What a joke. Most overpaid assistant in football history at any level of competition.

And the award for Head Choke: Dabo, of course. Five losses in a row. What are you doing? Do you not pay attention when Morris calls a backyard double pass? Why do you even wear a headset?

One more award: bryant. The head-up rectum award. Well-deserved.
The guy is talking about going pro.

kellytown writes:

in response to Kimarie56:

It always amazes me how quick we are to wanting to rid ourselves of the coaching staff when things don't go the way we, the fans, want it to. I am assuming we all watched the same game tonight. Law of averages were against us. Yes, maybe we have a mental block when it comes to FSU or USC, however will that change with a coaching staff turnover?? Which coach is to blame for Sammy's interception? Or Humphries not one but two punt return turnovers? Or Tajh's stripped ball & 2 interceptions? Were the plays at the time bad calls? We all know that if we had succeeded in these attempts, win the game, we would be roaring from the heavens... But which coach is exactly to blame for these occurrences? Can we build a consistent winning program if we keep changing our underwear like the town street walker? (Sorry if that offends!) this coaching staff has brought us further along consistently then we have been in recent years & you want to change that? I will concede we need better recruitment for our O-line because that is the weakest area that has hurt Tajh the most. Our defense has grown double in strength since last year & most definitely heading in the right direction. We did a poor job retaining Shaw tonight.. Our prep was extremely poor in that area I will concede... However if you watched the same game I did, Shaw was a one-man show...there were no stellar performers in tonight's game by the Coots except Shaw! That's where our prep broke down! A new page is about to be written.. The playing field about to become level. Seniors are leaving with some underclass men in tow & you now want to change our forward progress?? All I can say is shame on you, fair weather fans! I am proud of my team, the players & staff! My blood runs orange & my love is strong! We will over come these 2 hiccups that have plagued us & continue moving forward!!! Go Tigers!

I agree Boyd alway's seems to get frustrated and then he starts throwing the ball to the other team.The coaches can't catch the ball for the players they can;t throw the ball they can't hold on to the ball.You can't beat any ranked team turning the ball over six times!!! We have a problem getting mean and being prepard to play big games. Our defense is alot better than we were last season and is getting better. With our quality recievers we should be doing better against ranked teams. I believe we need a Offensive line coach that can get some recruits.

sanford42 writes:

in response to Kimarie56:

It always amazes me how quick we are to wanting to rid ourselves of the coaching staff when things don't go the way we, the fans, want it to. I am assuming we all watched the same game tonight. Law of averages were against us. Yes, maybe we have a mental block when it comes to FSU or USC, however will that change with a coaching staff turnover?? Which coach is to blame for Sammy's interception? Or Humphries not one but two punt return turnovers? Or Tajh's stripped ball & 2 interceptions? Were the plays at the time bad calls? We all know that if we had succeeded in these attempts, win the game, we would be roaring from the heavens... But which coach is exactly to blame for these occurrences? Can we build a consistent winning program if we keep changing our underwear like the town street walker? (Sorry if that offends!) this coaching staff has brought us further along consistently then we have been in recent years & you want to change that? I will concede we need better recruitment for our O-line because that is the weakest area that has hurt Tajh the most. Our defense has grown double in strength since last year & most definitely heading in the right direction. We did a poor job retaining Shaw tonight.. Our prep was extremely poor in that area I will concede... However if you watched the same game I did, Shaw was a one-man show...there were no stellar performers in tonight's game by the Coots except Shaw! That's where our prep broke down! A new page is about to be written.. The playing field about to become level. Seniors are leaving with some underclass men in tow & you now want to change our forward progress?? All I can say is shame on you, fair weather fans! I am proud of my team, the players & staff! My blood runs orange & my love is strong! We will over come these 2 hiccups that have plagued us & continue moving forward!!! Go Tigers!

Well said - I am disappointed as anyone but you have to look at the big picture. Congratulating Shaw the way Dabo did shows class something Spurier would never do. Some good O-line recruits and we will turn this thing around.

sanford42 writes:

Reading all these comments about the game one important fact has been missed. The missed call on the 4th and 1 where we jumped offsides. the center flinched on it and it should have been called a false start. They would have punted to us from the 30 in a tied game instead of getting a first down. Don't know what would have happened after that but just saying - one missed call can change an entire game.

essoclub writes:

Every diehard Clemson football fan should read this well-written post from the Tigernet.com forum. The data points in the post are well-researched and irrefutable. Dabo does not have the program going in the right direction. You can argue all you want, but the proof is in the pudding and the numbers do not lie. This is a results based business, and yes, college football is big business.

Here is a link to the post: http://www.tigernet.com/forums/messag...

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