Clemson, FSU Big 12-bound? Intriguing for sure, but don't hold your breath...

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Clemson wide receiver Sammy Watkins (2) catches a 62-yard fourth-quarter pass from Clemson quarterback Tajh Boyd (10) near Florida State safety Lamarcus Joyner(20) at Memorial Stadium.

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Clemson wide receiver Sammy Watkins (2) catches a 62-yard fourth-quarter pass from Clemson quarterback Tajh Boyd (10) near Florida State safety Lamarcus Joyner(20) at Memorial Stadium.

The Big 12 isn’t done yet, and as long as that’s the case, the internet rumor-mill will grind away on the subject of expansion and potential conference realignment.

This week’s most tantalizing rumor has to do with Clemson, Florida State and the Big 12.

A ‘report’ saying that the Big 12 is cooling its heels while awaiting the Tigers and Seminoles to jump leagues surfaced last week on a blog covering West Virginia athletics, and then was re-blogged on LeatherHelmet.com, out of Athens.

There is no shred of evidence presented to support the notion that it’s anything more than groundless speculation. But it got some Clemson and FSU fans a bit excited nonetheless.

Enthusiasm among rank-and-file fans for the addition of Syracuse and Pittsburgh to the ACC seems underwhelming – especially in light of ACC commissioner John Swofford’s announcement last week that the conference will move to a nine-game league schedule, with Syracuse joining the Atlantic Division and Pittsburgh the Coastal Division as every-season opponents.

Faced with the prospect of trading even the occasional home-and-home series against Georgia or Auburn for a yearly date with Syracuse and a bi-annual trek to the Canadian border, many football-focused Clemson fans are starting to feel even more-than-usual like the Tigers have become a fish out of water.

And since geographical proximity means nothing anymore (when Colorado is in the Pac-12 and TCU is, or was, in the Big East), the idea of the Tigers and the Seminoles matching up against Texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State, or getting another shot at West Virginia, is, frankly, deliciously enticing.

Chances are, it ain’t gonna happen.

Speaking yesterday about the current state of the Big 12 – currently at 10 teams with the coming of West Virginia and TCU and the going of Texas A&M and Missouri - Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds tossed out the names of BYU and Louisville as likely targets, while openly pining for an encouraging glance from Notre Dame – the object of every conference’s lustful imagination.

No mention of Tigers, Seminoles or anyone in the Southeast.

ACC officials, meanwhile, continue to put a brave face on what they’ve gotten themselves into with their expansion push deeper into the Northeast.

At least that’s one way to look at it.

Another way, is that the ACC-powers-that-be are truly satisfied with their work; and if you’re looking at things from a basketball perspective, adding the likes of Syracuse and Pitt indeed looks like sound business.

Earlier this week The Sports Business Journal reported that because of the addition of the Panthers and Orange, the ACC has been able to re-open its recently-signed contract with ESPN and negotiate an annual per-school payout increase of up to $2 million, which would push each school’s share from $13 million to nearly $15 million.

That would elevate the ACC to the level of the Big 12’s current TV contract, but still lags behind the SEC ($17 million) and the Big 10 and Pac-12 ($21 million), whose coffers have been richened by the success of their own in-house TV networks.

But those numbers are likely to change (not in the ACC’s favor) when the dust settles and other conferences renegotiate based on expansion.

These are strange and uncertain times, and there’s a lot to digest. Some of it is bound to be giving folks in Clemson and Tallahassee a bit of indigestion.

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Lynx26 writes:

This is just garbage to me... Stay in the ACC and build on our Fball, bball, track, and baseball programs. A move to the big 12 would be tragic and flat out stupid move.

lhaselden writes:

I see no benefit to Clemson from a move to the B12, and fan griping about a trip to Syracuse, will whining even louder about a trip to Kansas!!
All Clemson sports teams are important to me and a move to the B12 would be a negative for all of them including FB. I like playing GaTech and SC every year and some of the NC schools. I think playing UGa every once in a while will help our FB program more than playing in the B12.

Terri (Inactive) writes:

I can't see CU in the Big 12. How about the Pac 10? That seems to be a better fit. Or, maybe the Mountain West. How about just morph into Australian style Rugby and play in the New South Wales league?? I mean, What the Heck ??
What AD in their right mind would approve a move of TCU into the Big East? What's the point?
A Texas team in The Big EAST, for crying out loud!

The same generation that gave us politicians that have screwed our magnificent political system up has given us college administrators and athletic department heads that are now ruining college sports.

1984Grad writes:

I'm sorry - did someone say something? All I heard wsa prattle, prattle, prattle. Dear supposed Clemson fans and media alike: please tell me exactly just what the ACC has ever done for your school? The ACC - led by the liberal influences of the UNC and Duke systems - has become a proxy for a liberal, Northeastern basketball mindset. Add the U of Miami, UVA, Ga Tech and Boston College, and the ACC is little more than the Big East redux. One simple question: why else add Syracuse and Pitt when any number of Southern schools were available, including Louisville, WVU and TCU. What about Southern Miss and USF? These are all possible Top 20 football programs. Clemson no longer belongs, no longer fits with its old conference because of primarily political decisions, not just athletic decisions. It's time for the stuck-in-the-mud to stop selling off our future!

YabbaDaboDooDoo writes:

in response to Terri:

I can't see CU in the Big 12. How about the Pac 10? That seems to be a better fit. Or, maybe the Mountain West. How about just morph into Australian style Rugby and play in the New South Wales league?? I mean, What the Heck ??
What AD in their right mind would approve a move of TCU into the Big East? What's the point?
A Texas team in The Big EAST, for crying out loud!

The same generation that gave us politicians that have screwed our magnificent political system up has given us college administrators and athletic department heads that are now ruining college sports.

Well, TCU needed an AQ football conference and the Big East needed a football power to continue to be an AQ school. What Big East AD would NOT approve of TCU if it means getting a foot in the Dallas media market and getting a football power to help keep your AQ status. The Big East would've been crazy if they didn't offer TCU. Of course that's all history since the Big 12 needed to replace Texas A&M and TCU was the natural choice.

This idea that college administrators and ADs are ruining college sports is ridiculous. College sports are making more money than ever before and conferences are constantly looking for more ways to make money whether that's creating their own TV network or expanding the conference by adding schools outside their geographic footprint into major media markets. TV dictates everything, not college admins and ADs.

YabbaDaboDooDoo writes:

in response to 1984Grad:

I'm sorry - did someone say something? All I heard wsa prattle, prattle, prattle. Dear supposed Clemson fans and media alike: please tell me exactly just what the ACC has ever done for your school? The ACC - led by the liberal influences of the UNC and Duke systems - has become a proxy for a liberal, Northeastern basketball mindset. Add the U of Miami, UVA, Ga Tech and Boston College, and the ACC is little more than the Big East redux. One simple question: why else add Syracuse and Pitt when any number of Southern schools were available, including Louisville, WVU and TCU. What about Southern Miss and USF? These are all possible Top 20 football programs. Clemson no longer belongs, no longer fits with its old conference because of primarily political decisions, not just athletic decisions. It's time for the stuck-in-the-mud to stop selling off our future!

The ACC has expanded for TV... period. The ACC now has a presence in Boston, New York, Pittsburgh, and Miami. Virginia Tech is only in the ACC b/c UVa and Virginia lawmakers were ready to stop ACC expansion altogether if expansion didn't include the Hokies. They brought nothing in terms of TV and the ACC didn't want them. For the same reason, WV wasn't invited to the ACC. Louisville, KY isn't a TV market that people get excited about either. And the ACC didn't want TCU b/c everyone except the idiots in the Big East knew that TCU was dying to get in the Big12 and would at the first opportunity.

I don't know where you get this craziness about liberal northeastern influence. UNC and Duke were charter members of the ACC just like Clemson. Basketball has always been king in the ACC so I have no idea why this comes as a surprise to you. Listen to yourself! You're saying the north is "selling off our future" and that you want secession? Is this 2012 or 1860? I don't know where you think Clemson is going to go if they're not in the ACC. The SEC is thinking the same way the ACC is. That's why they added Texas A&M and Missouri and not Clemson or FSU. They already have SEC games on TV in South Carolina and Florida. But now they have SEC games on TV in Dallas and St. Louis. Get with the times or live life in the past.

Terri (Inactive) writes:

in response to YabbaDaboDooDoo:

Well, TCU needed an AQ football conference and the Big East needed a football power to continue to be an AQ school. What Big East AD would NOT approve of TCU if it means getting a foot in the Dallas media market and getting a football power to help keep your AQ status. The Big East would've been crazy if they didn't offer TCU. Of course that's all history since the Big 12 needed to replace Texas A&M and TCU was the natural choice.

This idea that college administrators and ADs are ruining college sports is ridiculous. College sports are making more money than ever before and conferences are constantly looking for more ways to make money whether that's creating their own TV network or expanding the conference by adding schools outside their geographic footprint into major media markets. TV dictates everything, not college admins and ADs.

Reply to your assertion that any AD would welcom TCU into the Big East:

If I were TCU's AD I would NOT favor a move to the Big East. It's the Big...EAST. Not the Big Southwest. The Big EAST.

And the powers are ruining college sports...with a big help from government(TitleIX). Now, it's all for the money. Money, money, money.....It's an amateur sport. Intended originally for the school and local fans. Now the emphasis is on allignment that boosts TV money.
You're right. College football is very popular now. But when you start messing with the natural order of the entity, you will ultimately ruin it. That's my concern.

Eventually TCU will not be able to recruit the local boys that have boosted them to prominence the last few years. Mom and Dad will be able to see them 6 days a year, but the rest they will have to hope the game will be broadcast nationally (TCU-UCONN ??)Or that they can crouch over a monitor and catch ESPN3. Now that's a recruiting tool, huh? Not to mention the cross-country traveling for HALF the schedule.
TCU will suffer.
They aren't suffering now.

Lynx26 writes:

CLemson is an ACC team... point blank period. Secondly SEC... followed by no other conference. Stop It!

YabbaDaboDooDoo writes:

in response to Terri:

Reply to your assertion that any AD would welcom TCU into the Big East:

If I were TCU's AD I would NOT favor a move to the Big East. It's the Big...EAST. Not the Big Southwest. The Big EAST.

And the powers are ruining college sports...with a big help from government(TitleIX). Now, it's all for the money. Money, money, money.....It's an amateur sport. Intended originally for the school and local fans. Now the emphasis is on allignment that boosts TV money.
You're right. College football is very popular now. But when you start messing with the natural order of the entity, you will ultimately ruin it. That's my concern.

Eventually TCU will not be able to recruit the local boys that have boosted them to prominence the last few years. Mom and Dad will be able to see them 6 days a year, but the rest they will have to hope the game will be broadcast nationally (TCU-UCONN ??)Or that they can crouch over a monitor and catch ESPN3. Now that's a recruiting tool, huh? Not to mention the cross-country traveling for HALF the schedule.
TCU will suffer.
They aren't suffering now.

If you are TCU, would you rather play in the Mountain West or the Big East? TCU wants access to BCS games. Staying in the Mountain West means you can't lose a game and be the higher ranked of any non-BCS conference schools. If you're in the Big East, you only have to be better than the teams in the Big East. That's a no-brainer. The travel is basically the same. Mom has to get on a plane whether she's going to Connecticut or Boise. How many Moms are already driving from Texas to San Diego, Colorado, Wyoming, Las Vegas, or Boise? How many Mountain West games are on TV as compared to the Big East? People get hung up on travel when realignment comes up but they fail to realize that there's plenty of long road trips in some of the conferences with long-time members. People forget how far it is from Tempe and Tucson to Pullman and Seattle.

It's all moot now b/c TCU got what they wanted all along. They are in the Big 12.

Terri (Inactive) writes:

in response to YabbaDaboDooDoo:

If you are TCU, would you rather play in the Mountain West or the Big East? TCU wants access to BCS games. Staying in the Mountain West means you can't lose a game and be the higher ranked of any non-BCS conference schools. If you're in the Big East, you only have to be better than the teams in the Big East. That's a no-brainer. The travel is basically the same. Mom has to get on a plane whether she's going to Connecticut or Boise. How many Moms are already driving from Texas to San Diego, Colorado, Wyoming, Las Vegas, or Boise? How many Mountain West games are on TV as compared to the Big East? People get hung up on travel when realignment comes up but they fail to realize that there's plenty of long road trips in some of the conferences with long-time members. People forget how far it is from Tempe and Tucson to Pullman and Seattle.

It's all moot now b/c TCU got what they wanted all along. They are in the Big 12.

Yeah, I understand what you're saying and you make valid points. And you're also right: it's a moot point with TCU now. (I have to admit, I was basically parroting Urban Meyer when asked about the reallignment of conferences going on. He laid out a pretty persuasive argument against it as regards to teams such as TCU moving into conferences of different time zones and how it would affect recruiting long term).

Last word I'll say is I agree 100 percent with Lynx26 (above). Clemson is an ACC team. Period. Only gun-to-the-head alternative would be SEC.
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